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    Thumbs up New gene discovered called the Mirage

    This week i hatched out some babies from breeding my pastel yellow belly male x high white bumblebee.When the babies started hatching we noticed they were VERY light colored and to the point they didnt look real.So i posted some pictures of the killerbee yellow belly from the clutch on facebook to get some opinions.Well my good friend Tim Bailey chimed in and said they looked like some mirage gene in them.I will say at first i was confused to what he was saying. The sire of the babies was bought directly from Tim by myself back a couple years before Tim figured out his male had more genes in it that he knew of. So with GREAT APPRECIATION for Tim selling me Samson here is the killerbee yellow belly Mirage in all her glory.
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    The original breeding that produced the first Mirage animals was a Pastel Ivory (produced by me) bred to a Pastel female (also produced by me), and it yielded 2.2 Super Pastel YB Mirage animals. One of those males is what Brandt bought. At that time, I didn't know how those animals would pass the gene, and therefore didn't want to name it yet. There were three criteria that I wanted to meet prior to naming the mutation.
    #1, I wanted to ensure that a Mirage animal produced by me could reproduce the gene. Brandt was the first one to have an opportunity to do this, as he had a male, and I had kept a female from the first breeding. I can say that I have made Mirage animals three years in a row, by repeating the breeding that made them the first year in 2011.
    #2, I wanted to ensure that the gene wasn't "linked" to YB. Brandt proved this by producing a Super Pastel Mirage that lacked the YB gene (this snake is pictured above).
    #3, I wanted to make sure that the female Pastel I have been using isn't the animal passing the gene. Brandt again proved this, since he doesn't have my Pastel.

    Brandt was able to help me determine that all of my criteria had been met, and therefore I wanted to name the mutation so that everyone could have something to call it. There is obviously more work to be done, and due to the animals I have, It has been hard for me to get the gene isolated from YB and Pastel, but it is a work in progrss. I can say that I have produced two Yellow Bellys and they are very extreme, and I believe they may be Mirage gene without the Pastel gene included. I will attempt to get some pics of those animals soon.
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    Congrats...gotta love it! That's a beauty. Please post some updated pics post shed.
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    The post before this one is what Tim Bailey had to say about the Mirage gene so far
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Quote Originally Posted by sho220 View Post
    Congrats...gotta love it! That's a beauty. Please post some updated pics post shed.
    Oh i will and the rest of the clutch are just as mind blowing as this one
    Joe Haggard

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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Quote Originally Posted by joepythons View Post
    One of those males is what Brandt bought.
    Who is Brandt?
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Quote Originally Posted by sho220 View Post
    Who is Brandt?
    He is Major League reptiles ( i think thats right)
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Quote Originally Posted by joepythons View Post
    He is Major League reptiles ( i think thats right)
    Ah...that's what I thought...I think it's Brant, not Brandt though. That guy's got an eye for this stuff...


    Can't wait to see the rest of the clutch...
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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Some of the original babies were sold before Tim Bailey realized something was going on and i was lucky enough to buy one
    Joe Haggard

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    Re: New gene discovered called the Mirage

    Quote Originally Posted by sho220 View Post
    Ah...that's what I thought...I think it's Brant, not Brandt though. That guy's got an eye for this stuff...


    Can't wait to see the rest of the clutch...
    Oh ok i just copied and pasted what Tim wrote lol. I will add more pictures of the other babies tomorrow
    Joe Haggard

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