Not pleased with Jonathan Foltz/aka BreedingCircle

[Maddumpling]

Now, what I have to say may not please to many other customers that have bought from him and are pleased, but in my situation I am not pleased at all. This is what happened.
A month ago, I was looking into getting a very high end morph either a GHI or a blackhead and I contacted Jonathan about this. He explained to me that it was a bad idea to get just one animal and he would give me a good deal for a ghi at 150 grams and HGWG at 200g for 2000. At first I thought this was a very good deal, but then things started getting very weird for me. I was doing a payment plan and I was looking at his website and I see a GHI male at 350grams for 1500 and this kinda confused me because at this time HGWG were going for an average 500 for a male. So I didn't see this as being a good deal. So I contacted him on what is with the pricing of the two animals for the snake and what is this "Great deal" I am getting. He explains to me that the GHI was indeed 1500 and the HGWG was priced at 700 dollars because of the quality and the poss red gene. This killed me because in the beginning he didn't mention any poss red gene and when it comes to quality of a snake, I will only buy a HIGH quality snake based on if the breeding was through selective breeding, like Brian Gundy. I felt that the pricing was very bad and I was mislead with his deal so I asked him that I would just like to stick with the GHI male thats on the website that is stated at 350 grams or on his website that stated the ID of the GHI. He said he would take it down and ship me that snake. I get the snake, its not even the snake that I wanted from his site. He didn't held up his promise to me and how am I suppose to be happy with an expensive purchase when I didn't get the snake that I asked for. Don't get me wrong, he did help me with the purchase and helped me with some stuff, but in the end he didn't even listen and got me the wrong snake. My reason for not getting a 150 gram snake is because I feel comfortable with a snake that has some weight and if there is an off chance that that snake is off food, there is a significant amount of weight on a fast.

"Yes i have to take it off brother.

And I will send soon for you.


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On April 3, 2014 8:12:54 PM Albert Jun <albertjun1993@gmail.com> wrote:

I was just wondering if you had gotten my email.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Albert Jun <albertjun1993@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be waiting for the final paypal request for the GHI. And I would like to make it clear the GHI on the website labeled GHI7 if he is still available.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Foltz <jonathan@breedingcircle.com> wrote:
Don't be worried.

That is part of the game and I don't take it personal.
I Love the HGWG project and this guy will sell for more.



On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Albert Jun <albertjun1993@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but I think I'll just stick with just the GHI and I can pay off the rest of the snake today.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jonathan Foltz <jonathan@breedingcircle.com> wrote:
The possible red gene is not even the kicker, it is just the quality really... but if you want I don't mind keeping him and you just get the ghi.
Btw my red gene is different from the european red gene. Not the same

Let me know if you want to go that route. It will be ok either way

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On April 1, 2014 12:30:39 AM Albert Jun <albertjun1993@gmail.com> wrote:

I understand with your position and I understand that you are a professional company. Your argument of the HGWG being a poss red gene changes the argument now because in the beginning, you did not state this.

Yes price is not everything, but price does persuade a customer's judgement. I do believe quality is the key and I have many friends who told me quality is what I should go for and I am. But the fact that I witnessed the prices online showing a GHI male for 1500 made me assume I was paying more for something of the two snakes.

In the beginning you only mention HGWG not a HGWG poss red gene, making me email you in the first place about the price concern. When I looked at it from a price point of the two snakes, I had no idea what type of HGWG or quality I was getting and the average price for a regular HGWG is 500-600. So I had a right to assume that something was a bit weird.

If the HGWG poss red gene was stated in the first place, I would understand about the deal I was getting. I know what the red gene does and I have seen many great examples of the red gene combos. 2000 dollars is not easy for me to just let go and would not just let it go for just a regular HGWG that averages around 500-600. I know you deal with quality animals, but I know many other people who make that same case and have the average price range.

So you have to understand that in the beginning, I had no knowledge of the fact that the HGWG was a poss red gene and when the deal was that I was giving 2000 for a GHI and a HGWG, it just seemed like a standard purchase of two snakes at an average price and not a deal.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Jonathan Foltz <jonathan@breedingcircle.com> wrote:
Hey brother.
Called you earlier with no answer. Ill try again tomorrow.

Ok so check it.
First of all these are both not regular balls.
Remember that I have top quality Reptiles with guarantees that most will not make.
The quality of both the ghi and the hgwg are excellent.
I was selling the ghi for 1500 and this unique hgwg poss red gene was a hold back. Not even online. If I were to sell him it would be 750-850
Plus shipping that is 2300-2400 total.
That was 300 off on a couple items and with one that I was holding.
Quality and unique type of morphs can go for more.
I have seen crappy ghis go for 1200 bucks and noteven sell then I have seen amazing baby ghis for 2000 and they sell like hot cakes.

You cannot just look at price. Quality is key at end of day.
Please remember that

My site no longer has free shipping so that you know also.
Please also Remember I am feeding these in my facility for free. Rats are not cheap and I do not so out on meals just because someone bought them.
I believe I am very fair at end of the day and I do believe you are getting great deal.

If you get mad at me because I want a but more money for a bigger ghi after you bought yours I have my reasons and yes I believe I am giving you a deal still today.

You are dealing with a very professional company that takes great care of their amazing Reptiles with everything we have.

Many people in this business will screw you over fir a dollar.
There is a reason the quality breeders are pretty sturdy with prices and such.

You get what you pay for and I think you will be extremely satisfied when you get your snakes.

If you all want to talk on phone tomorrow let me know

Ask away on the questions

Here is the hgwg male besting at 350g with food in him. Sexy as hell"

[iconpythons]

So you agreed to a price for a certain set of animals and start making payments, get buyers remorse, start checking around, change your mind, want a bigger GHI for the same price, back out of the HGWG, pay the 1500 for the original GHI you wanted and your still not happy?

[Maddumpling]

There was a miscommunication in the transaction. not bad guy thread now.

[iconpythons]

There was a miscommunication in the transaction. not bad guy thread now.

You had a contract with him that you sealed when you paid a deposit, he posted a larger GHI after you made an agreement AND started paying. What makes you think you're entitled to the larger one? If there's a bad guy thread here it should be about you not honoring contracts you enter into. Learn how to do business before you actually start conducting it.

[CBB24]

If anything I think this PROVES he is a reputable dealer. He obviously cared enough to attempt calling YOU in order to sort it out.