Cleaning/Substrate dilemma.. Opinions please?

[ChrisC]

Thank you. I really appreciate the heads up. And yes you should definitely try it.

[Skiploder]

Pine is toxic to snakes?

How long does it take to kill them? I've been using it for decades....for the love of God, what have I done?

Please let me know ASAP. I need some people who are experienced keepers who have lost snakes to pine or who are battling chronic pine bedding related illnesses to let me know how long my babies have to live.

[AlexisFitzy]

Pine is toxic to snakes?

How long does it take to kill them? I've been using it for decades....for the love of God, what have I done?

Please let me know ASAP. I need some people who are experienced keepers who have lost snakes to pine or who are battling chronic pine bedding related illnesses to let me know how long my babies have to live.

I have no idea 100%. I'm actually looking up that info now because I'd like to know if snakes have actually died or had health issues from pine bedding but I thought I would just let the guy know just incase. To be on the safe side. But if you've been using it for decades and your snakes haven't kicked the bucket then this may be one of those myths to be squashed. :confuzed:


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[ChrisC]

Pine is toxic to snakes?

How long does it take to kill them? I've been using it for decades....for the love of God, what have I done?

Please let me know ASAP. I need some people who are experienced keepers who have lost snakes to pine or who are battling chronic pine bedding related illnesses to let me know how long my babies have to live.

As we all know, reptiles retain moisture through their skin. Which means, if exposed to pine, there is a possibility that it can be absorbed by your reptile. And possibly lead to illness sources say. I have never housed my reptiles on pine bedding and have never needed medical attention for my reptile due to pine bedding. Thank god. But, sources do say that Pine can be toxic towards reptiles. I am no Veterinarian, but I will assume that Reptiles have to be exposed to extremely large amounts to get sick. I might be wrong but it's just my opinion. However, I would never dare try for the safety of my pets which I love very much. And I do not know how long it will take for pine to cause illness within a reptile.

[Skiploder]

Fascinating.

Did those sources say that? What sources are these? Other people who have never used pine?

What of these sources say about soaking snakes prior to shedding?

[AlexisFitzy]

Fascinating.

Did those sources say that? What sources are these? Other people who have never used pine?

What of these sources say about soaking snakes prior to shedding?

Ive been reading a lot of back/forth info about it. Read some threads on some other forums about this topic and its like a live vs. f/t debate. Some say the pine is harmful and others have said that they have been housing their snakes on pine for years without any adverse affects. And since there are no scientific articles that actually can prove this I'm not 100% sure but not going to risk it. But the reason most say its toxic is the same reason it "can" be toxic to mammals, the aromatic hydrocarbons (phenols) that give pine/cedar its pleasant woody scent, these compounds when inhaled by reptiles and mammals can cause respiratory infections/respiratory inflammation and sometimes liver problems.

[ChrisC]

Nice : ) I wouldn't risk it either


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[ChrisC]

Ive been reading a lot of back/forth info about it. Read some threads on some other forums about this topic and its like a live vs. f/t debate. Some say the pine is harmful and others have said that they have been housing their snakes on pine for years without any adverse affects. And since there are no scientific articles that actually can prove this I'm not 100% sure but not going to risk it. But the reason most say its toxic is the same reason it "can" be toxic to mammals, the aromatic hydrocarbons (phenols) that give pine/cedar its pleasant woody scent, these compounds when inhaled by reptiles and mammals can cause respiratory infections/respiratory inflammation and sometimes liver problems.

This is the bag I mentioned. Just a heads up.


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[AlexisFitzy]

This is the bag I mentioned. Just a heads up.


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I think maybe the baked/dried this bedding to get all the oils out and keep it from being dusty since that's what is so harmful.


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[ChrisC]

I think maybe the baked/dried this bedding to get all the oils out and keep it from being dusty since that's what is so harmful.


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Maybe. But it's a really good substrate. I will be using this for long term and you get a good bang for your bucks.



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