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    Re: Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

    Since when were pure pit bulls 130 lbs!? Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't an American pit bull (40-55 lbs).... It had to be some type of mix. "Pit Bull" is a misused label and might as well stand for a mutt these days because they are typically all mixed up or Bully mixes. However, it is very saddening that this had to happen too this beautiful young girl. My heart goes out to her parents. I cannot imagine the pain they are going through.

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    Re: Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

    Quote Originally Posted by MicheC View Post
    Since when were pure pit bulls 130 lbs!? Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't an American pit bull (40-55 lbs).... It had to be some type of mix. "Pit Bull" is a misused label and might as well stand for a mutt these days because they are typically all mixed up or Bully mixes. However, it is very saddening that this had to happen too this beautiful young girl. My heart goes out to her parents. I cannot imagine the pain they are going through.

    I agree this is sad,

    and I also ask WHY??? Why is a young child left alone with a 130 dog? These details are what's left out, and THESE mistakes are what get problems like this into the news.

    The individual dog could have been unstable, the child may or may not have done something, but certainly people should know that kids and dogs together need to be supervised. Even a playful puppy can quickly overwhelm a child not prepared for the excitement. And puppies have very sharp teeth that cut.

    My kids will watch me get our dogs cranked up and have great fun, but when they try it and see that the dogs even in play mode are too big they quickly learn the boundaries which I warn them about when they start the horseplay.

    Every time we have company, whether it be the friends of our children, or adults that are not familiar with our dogs, we simply put the dogs in their crates, and close the door to the room they are in. End of any conflicts right there.

    If we want to make introductions, they are done around a play situation with a ball or something to occupy the dogs and then sniffing and petting can happen later.

    These are just common sense practices that should be followed with any dog. I'm quite certain the parents of our children's friends would not be so friendly if their child was knocked over or scratched by one of our dogs.

    Or if their kid stuck a pencil in my dog's nose and the dog reacted the only way it knows how to say; "Hey that hurts stop!" A nip would be deemed a "Vicious attack on a poor, innocent child".

    I simply avoid these situations by not allowing people outside of the family to be with the dogs unless we are there to supervise.

    Dogs typically don't know any better but people should.

    If more people actually followed the SIMPLE laws of leashing and containment 95% of all dog related issues would go away. No need to neuter or spay if there are no dogs running around off leash and free, no more runners or bikers being chased by dogs, which by the way is a prey drive response and not always defensive or aggressive.

    Basically, responsible ownership is they key. That includes any type of pet.

    Which leads to what this board is about; Keeping reptiles.

    I'm sure about everybody here has cringed when they've seen somebody come asking questions out of the blue about getting a giant snake species for their first snake. It's not the snake that is dangerous, but the situation sure is.

    I won't call a reticulated python dangerous. It is what it is, but if I went and brought a 14+ foot retic home tomorrow, I'd say that would be a problem down the road since I'm not well versed in their behavior, or care. Is the snake dangerous, or was I impulsively stupid and unprepared?

    Anyhow, I can't really change minds of people who are convinced pit bulls as a whole are dangerous.

    Just like those who are convinced snakes are evil and dangerous, you'll never know the true joy and fulfillment of owning something so special.

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    Re: Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

    Quote Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles View Post
    I love all dogs. I own a Bulldog named Toby and my family owns a German Shepard named Rocky, Golden Retriever named Mason and a Pit mix named Lucy. The Pit mix is probably the nicest one. However, I can still read facts at the end of the day and understand that Lucy has the highest potential to cause serious and fatal injuries on someone else based on her genetics from her breed.
    This is what I mean by educating yourselves when it comes to Pitties. By your logic (however flawed it may be) Lucy and Toby BOTH have the highest potential to cause serious or fatal injuries. Toby, being a Bulldog, is clumped into the "Pit Bull Type" group. Making him a pit bull in the eyes of the law and other people. When you see Pit Bull at the top of a bite chart or fatality chart just remember that there are about 20+ breeds. Divide that high bite/fatality percentage by the number of breeds in "Pit Bull Type" and you will find that the individual breeds make up hardly ANYTHING

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    Speaking of "vicious" pit bull type dogs... Between my two dogs, it is the "pit bull" (she's a mutt, but has at least some kind of bully breed in her) who is safer around my child. Now granted I do NOT leave my child unsupervised with the dogs, it is the non-pittie dog (another mutt who has some kind of Nordic breed in her and goodness knows what else) who is more nervous and frightened around her, and because of that she's more dangerous. She's more likely to growl, and I expect nip, if pushed to her limit. My pittie dog is much more relaxed, easy going, and will walk away before she reaches her limit. The biggest problem I have with my child and the pittie is keeping my child out of the dog's bed! (That's her "safe retreat".) Between the two dogs, the pittie is much more submissive. The non-pittie can be kind of witchy (you know what I mean) and bossy. She's great with adults, but not so much with kids. Both dogs are equally likely to start a fight with each other (yes I supervise their interactions too). Its the pittie who will listen to me better when I tell them to knock it off, and usually the non-pittie who gets separated to cool down. Usually the fights come about because the pittie gets too rambunctious and hyper, other dog tells her to knock it off, she doesn't, other dog gets more aggressive in telling her to knock it off, she doesn't back down, and if I don't separate them by this point (usually I've intervened before then) it escalates. Around strangers the non-pittie is better, but that's largely because I've had her since she was 2 month old puppy and have trained and socialized her well. We got the pittie when she was a year old, and she came to us nervous and frightened, like an abused or neglected dog. She's always been nervous around strangers, especially men. We've gotten her to the point where she can be introduced successfully to strangers, without her cowering in the corner and growling (my other dog has actually helped in this aspect, being her therapy dog and helping her to feel more comfortable around strangers!). She's never actually bitten anyone, but I know darn well she will given the right circumstances. So we make sure those circumstances don't occur. Most times we have visitors we put the dogs away in their crates in another room, that way we don't have to worry about ANY accidents. Only times we don't do this is when the visitors are people the dogs know well and trust, and people we can trust as well.

    Now when it comes to prey drive... the pittie definitely has a stronger prey drive. If the prey sits still she'll point (between behavior and physical traits, I suspect she has some pointer in her too), but if it moves there's no stopping her. She's killed ground squirrels, gophers, chickens, and even a stray cat that got into our yard. The other dog will chase, but so far hasn't killed anything, even when she cornered it (BUT being a dog, I do know she's capable of killing another animal, and given the right circumstances it will happen). Despite her very strong prey drive, this pittie is also very highly trainable. She's got a great recall, and she obeys the "leave it" command like none other I've personally worked with. Even though she's killed several chickens, I've successfully worked at training her to leave the chickens alone, and now they may as well not even exist as far as she's concerned. I do expect with the right circumstances she can and will kill a chicken again, but as a testament to her good temperament and trainability, we have one chicken who will NOT stay where she belongs, insists on being a "pet" in the main yard where the dogs live, and NEITHER of my dogs even bat an eye at her. They are happy to hunt ground squirrels and gophers. This dog is also great with my indoor-only cats, even though she killed the stray cat in our yard (leading me to believe its a combination of not just prey drive, but also a protective drive to keep strange animals out of her yard). Again, given the right circumstances, I know darn well she's capable of hurting or killing another animal, and for that reason I make sure I don't allow those circumstances to happen (although I HAVE given up keeping that one chicken, as long as she's going to be allowed to free range, she'll go where she wants, but I've accepted the fact I could lose another chicken that way too, whether it be my dogs or a coyote or hawk or whatever other predator). Its about responsibility. If you are going to keep a potentially dangerous animal, you need to make sure you are keeping it properly housed and cared for, handle it properly, train and socialize (where applicable), and make sure you avoid those circumstances you know can result in an accident. In my personal opinion, ALL dogs have the potential to cause harm, no matter how big or small or how friendly. A friendly large dog can knock over a person, and given the right circumstances (person falls wrong, or is an elderly person with fragile bones, breaks a bone) serious harm can result. An aggressive small dog can seriously harm or even kill a child. A small dog can seriously harm an adult in some circumstances (a bite to the face, for example). An aggressive large dog can cause serious harm for obvious reasons. Its just about responsibility, and just like irresponsible reptile keepers, it is the irresponsible dog keepers that give the rest of us a bad name.
    Why keep a snake? Why keep any animal? Because you enjoy the animal, find something beautiful and fascinating about it, and it fits seamlessly into your lifestyle.

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    I will say, this thread has really opened my eye to the label of pit bull, I honestly thought pit bull just simply was short for the american pit bull terrier, I never knew it was an umbrella term in some of these statistics and laws. Seeing how that can heavily skew statistics, I'm surprised I never heard about it sooner.

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    Re: Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

    Quote Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    I will say, this thread has really opened my eye to the label of pit bull, I honestly thought pit bull just simply was short for the american pit bull terrier, I never knew it was an umbrella term in some of these statistics and laws. Seeing how that can heavily skew statistics, I'm surprised I never heard about it sooner.
    Yup it sucks.... it is an umbrella term for AT LEAST 15 breeds of dogs... I'm sure there are more.

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    Thats why you alwqys see me posting that there is no such thing as a "pitbull"
    Its just a blanket term

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    Re: Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

    Quote Originally Posted by omnibus2 View Post

    It's funny how every single time something like this happens, there are boats of people who rush in the defend the dog, saying ridiculous statements like "it wasn't the dogs fault", or "the dog shouldn't be put down", or better yet "it's the girl's fault".

    Yet, when once in a blue moon you hear about a python attacking somebody, the snake is demonized, and everyone demands that it's a public safety hazard and that all snakes should be banned.
    Your thoughts?
    This is what everyone is referring to. Whether implied or not, you say it's okay for dogs to be restricted but it's not okay for snakes.

    It's ignorant (which, by the way means lacking experience or understanding not stupid) to create breed specific legislation or stereotypes.

    The dog will be destroyed and that will be the end of it.

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    I'll throw in my 2 cents.

    First to compare a domesticated animal to a non domesticated exotic is asinine. But anyway

    I use to work at a local shelter and I did dog behavior evaluations. That's right, I would go into a small room with a dog I never met and pretty much mess with him. People always asked if I was scared of the pit bulls. I said no way. Pitties tend to wear their emotions on their sleeves. They are wiggly silly pups. There were a couple that were a bit more tense, but I could ALWAYS read a pit bull. In fact the few bites I did get were from small dogs, and the 2 dogs that made my blood run cold were a husky mix and a gold retriever.

    Pit bulls are NOT naturally aggressive towards people. Even fighting dogs (which I have dealt with) are not people aggressive. What would be the point of having a fighting dog if you could never handle it? They is a streak of dog aggression, which seemed to be in more pits than most. Not all were dog aggressive but it was seen a lot. Dogs cannot generalize. A dog aggressive dog does not equal a people aggressive dog. period.

    These dogs do need a special person for them due to the fact they have A TON of energy and without training lack impulse control. So do most young labs lol.

    Most the dogs bite case are horribly skewed and we very rarely get all the facts. All sorts of dogs are IDed as Pit Bull because that's what gets a bigger reaction. The media has destroyed this breed. Couple that with the fact that often these dogs are unaltered and chained up when the bite happens. Take a dog with a ton of energy, low impulse control, then chain him up all day. The risk of a bite increase drastically.

    The other problem with the whole thing is many dog owners are clueless when it comes to dog behavior. Even when they watch their kids with a dog they aren't picking up the signs that the dog is uncomfortable and wants the child to go away. To dogs hugging is rude and kissing on the nose is risky at best. I see "cute" pictures on facebook of kids riding dogs, pulling at their ears and faces all the time. Everyone says it's adorable but it's dangerous, many times the dog's face is screaming that he is not comfortable with what is going on.

    Pitties make great pets! I will probably never have one because I really don't have the energy for one. But I still love the breed. They are so silly and sweet.

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