What's the difference?

[GregsMoko]

Ok I posted a thread on normals but I added a question after it had been read. So I'll ask again, why can you breed different snakes to a normal female but normal males are no good for breeding to different snakes, either way normal male to female albino gives you albino het, or albino to normal female gives you albino hets. I'm sorry but I'm new and don't quite understand.

[steve_r34]

nobody breeds normal unless there doing it for them self .. if u breed normal ur gonna half normal in most case's

people that usually breed normal do it if they think there normal has something in it or if its got a reduced pattern and they want to see if they can get that pattern out ..

if u want to make hets to see or for urself then u can breed a normal to a recessive like albino or pied or clown and so forth .. me i would just breed something other then a normal to make hets ..

as far as y people breed the females and not the males idky
i think people think its a waste of a female ..
i.e i would rather throw lets say a fire male to a mojo female limit my chances on hitting any normal even tho its still a 25% chance then to throw a male normal at her and get 50% norms

and if a co dom / dom gene is in demand and i have normal females i can throw it to them and produce more to sell

hope that helps some

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

0.5 Normals here. Very useful for breeding when you can throw a triple gene male at them.

Read the article below and you will understand why Normal males are not used for breeding purposes.

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/2012/02...thon-breeders/

[PitOnTheProwl]

As simple as it can be said, females are producers.
I don't like saying that normal are worthless from a breeders point of view but most breeders are breeding for morphs.

The only "normals" I plan to produce in my future are going to be double hets.

[T&C Exotics]

The reason most will not breed a normal male to a morph female is because 1 males can breed more females. 2 morph males are cheaper than females. 3 for just a few bucks more you can get a single gene male instead of the normal and have more valuable offspring.

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[Amos1974]

I think your males should be the best snakes in your breeding program... they will pass their genes down to several clutches each year... if your best snakes that you spent the most investing into are females... they may or may not give you one clutch each year... if you can afford a breeder albino female and everything that goes in to breeding hatching and housing the babies then you should be able to afford a better male than a normal for her...

[Pythonfriend]

0.5 Normals here. Very useful for breeding when you can throw a triple gene male at them.

Read the article below and you will understand why Normal males are not used for breeding purposes.

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/2012/02...thon-breeders/

this article is excellent, and it explains it.

theoretically you can of course breed any male BP to any female BP.

its just that in reality, people want to work with morphs, and there are pairings that are more effective and pairings that are less effective at reaching your goals.

the thing is, when you breed one morph or morph combination to another morph or morph combination, you can get new combos that you have never hatched before. you can also get hatchlings that have a higher number of morphs than either of the parents in them. and thats what people want to do, they want to advance and improve their collection.

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

the thing is, when you breed one morph or morph combination to another morph or morph combination, you can get new combos that you have never hatched before. you can also get hatchlings that have a higher number of morphs than either of the parents in them. and thats what people want to do, they want to advance and improve their collection.

I think this is what we all strive for, but there is a market for "some" single gene animals as well.

I will continue to put some strong single, double and triple gene males to my Normal girls. Hard to turn down 40-50 eggs that have some good potential market value from females that I basically picked up for free or less than $100 as adults.

$100 for this reduced Normal girl..... to a Banana this year. One Banana and she paid for herself, and for housing/feeding for a few years down the road

[CryHavoc17]

Males can breed multiple females per year, and reach sexual maturity way faster then females. You gave a great example in your albino to normal pairing in the OP. if you are producing het albinos this year, from a female albino to a male normal, with the purpose of holding a male back to breed to your female albino next year, you have thrown a huge chunk of money out the window. Ball python morph prices will always trend downward. So in this example you would have bought your female albino at the price it was 2-3 years ago and watched the price of that gene steadily fall while she was raising up for breeding. Now that she is breeding (finally) but you only have a male normal to pair her to and you will only get one clutch of eggs. You will have a really hard time, at this rate, recouping the initial investment into albinos you made 2-3 years ago with that female. Additionally you now have nothing to breed with your normal male in the future. You want to produce albinos down the line, and you have het albino males. So after a single year of breeding your normal male he now has no useful purpose in your breeding project.

Instead of paying a for lot more for that albino female 2-3 years ago, instead you could have bought a whole bunch of females; be they normals, or way better yet, het albinos or other single gene females. Then you would have bought your male albino a year or two later at a FRACTION of the price you would have paid for that albino female in the other example. Now you have a whole albino project up and running, with multiple cool females to pair to your albino male. You will make a pile of het albinos this year.

In both examples you produce het albinos this year. In one example, you produce only one clutch and immediately have no use for your normal male breeder. In the other example you produce a whole pile of het albinos , and your male breeder is still very useful. One is a smart way to go about breeding BPs, one is not.

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[kikkimea]

if you can afford a breeder albino female and everything that goes in to breeding hatching and housing the babies then you should be able to afford a better male than a normal for her...

I agree, at least a basic morph, preferably het. albino.
It's gonna be worth the money to skip waiting 1-2 seasons for your hets to become breedable, but if you still do so it should be something worthy the wait. (At least a 2-banger imo..)

$100 for this reduced Normal girl..... to a Banana this year. One Banana and she paid for herself, and for housing/feeding for a few years down the road

Exactly