Huge enclosure set-up

[Slim]

Why in your opinion or your experience does a large tank stress out some ball pythons?

Because they tend to do better in smaller, tighter spaces that more closely replicate the rodent burrows they occupy in the wild.

Please feel free to ask this question again. You seem to miss the answers to your questions the first several times they are presented.


And if you're gonna' resort to vulgarities, you're gonna' quickly cut off any meaningful conversation. Please resume flashing in your pan, and performing science on your rocket.

[Archimedes]

I had my hatchling in a 20 gallon tank and she wouldnt eat for a month. I moved her to a 15qt tub and she eats twice a week now and has gained 40 grams. she roams much less and spends more time relaxing in her hides rather than constantly seeking somewhere safer to be. that's all the proof I need that she is much more content and secure than in the 20gal, even if I couldnt see the floor for all the clutter I put in.

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[cheaversg]

tru tru tru do you think it would be different as it gets older seeing as how it would or could go on eating fasts which is my second question? If you want my basis for that question is on the article attached to the beginning of the thread the second comment though.

[Archimedes]

I think she's always going to prefer more enclosed spaces, if thats your question. my older beep has been in larger enclosures her entire life and never went on a strike, never became defensive, and never used more than her warm hide. the only reason I switched her to a tub is because I got sick of cleaning tanks. every snake is going to have different preferences, you need to be willing to accommodate that. my little one is more comfy in small spaces, and my bigger girl has proven that she doesnt care either way, so i'm able to use what I consider easier for myself.

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[cheaversg]

Slim from the first comment on the other post you've been nothing but rude.
You either cant read or idk. I DONT HAVE MY BALL IN A BIG ENCLOSURE.
DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE I BASED MY QUESTION OFF OF. no you probably didnt.
but w.e man how dare i question anything look at the first comments from non veterans, people who still probably know more than me still.
They read that I dont have my bp in a big enclosure and was just asking but i guess Veterans who know everything can be jerks about stuff like this.
You are the rudest person ive came across on this site by far and you should try being a lot nicer smh

[Inarikins]

Slim from the first comment on the other post you've been nothing but rude.
You either cant read or idk. I DONT HAVE MY BALL IN A BIG ENCLOSURE.
DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE I BASED MY QUESTION OFF OF. no you probably didnt.
but w.e man how dare i question anything look at the first comments from non veterans, people who still probably know more than me still.
They read that I dont have my bp in a big enclosure and was just asking but i guess Veterans who know everything can be jerks about stuff like this.
You are the rudest person ive came across on this site by far and you should try being a lot nicer smh

I don't see where Slim was accusing you of putting your snake in a big enclosure?

Also telling Slim to be nice is like telling a dog to not wag its tail, it's never going to happen.

I do agree with him, though, that you came into this conversation thinking you know all the answers.

It comes down to this: some animals will be okay in a big enclosure and some won't. You have to know how to read your animal to know if they're stressed or not.

[Archimedes]

calling someone out for being rude and then telling them that they can't read is really pretty rude in itself...

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[cheaversg]

I don't see where Slim was accusing you of putting your snake in a big enclosure?

Also telling Slim to be nice is like telling a dog to not wag its tail, it's never going to happen.

I do agree with him, though, that you came into this conversation thinking you know all the answers.

It comes down to this: some animals will be okay in a big enclosure and some won't. You have to know how to read your animal to know if they're stressed or not.

He didnt say directly but he did if you use context clues.

And if he wants to be like that then dont comment on a thread like that if your just gunna think and treat everyone like idiots.
Second i asked for experience he just said it doesnt work then he said he has six years experience afterwards but still never gave me a personal example.
WHICH IS WHAT I ASKED FOR lol.
I didnt think I had all the answers but I did say unless you have proof then I wont accept your answer and he posed me no proof except rubbing 6 years in my face. and since he didnt ever meet my criteria for an acceptable answer he's useless to me.
Archimedes answered the question with exactly how I asked can you give me an experience or proof. I said if you dont dont bother answering.

SO basically he shouldn't have answered cause to criteria of the answer... HE HAD NO ANSWER.

AND yes it was rude but in response to a rude message when he didnt read what I had asked for and kept trying to give an answer that I stated I wouldnt accept.

Saying I have 6 years under my belt what do you have isnt proof to me of the answer to the question that I had asked. Which once again I said I wouldn't accept.

[Inarikins]

The answer he gave you was the one that answered your question. You not accepting it and instead stating that he was wrong because he used the words 'your snake' in a hypothetical way means that you are the one that is unable to read the context correctly. The reason people like Slim (and people like myself, tbh) don't have personal experience with snakes in huge enclosures is that we don't keep our snakes in huge enclosures. I keep mine in tubs and tbh i don't have enough floor space to keep them all in huge tubs. They get the size they need and an upgrade when they get too big. We're talking a switch from a 6qt tub to a 16 qt tub when the snake takes up more than half of the floor space of their 6 qt tub. I don't put a 100 gram snake in a 50 gallon tank because 1) temps are impossible to keep correct in a glass tank that big and 2) I'm more concerned with my snakes' happiness and wellness and less with a pretty cage. Is it possible to keep a 100 gram snake in a 50 gallon tank and have perfect husbandry and have a perfectly eating, hiding ball python? sure. It's also possible to put that 100 gram snake in a 6 qt tub that you have to black out all the sides because even that size is too big for it.

It's all about knowing your snake and doing what's best for them, instead of insisting you have all the answers and the snake had better fall in line, doesn't that snake know that you're a human and obviously you know what's best for it?

[cheaversg]

It would be great if someone can answer this question for me.
Just dont answer the question unless youve tested it personally, can provide a thorough explanation, or direct me to an article with a explanation.
I dont want to hear they like tight spaces because the world doesn't press against there sides, yes there hides might but there enclosures arent hides.
I do not except that as an explanation.

He didnt answer the question. IDC about your six years I wasnt asking how many years you have thats not proof. I asked and said prove it. common knowledge isnt proof six years isnt proof. What Archimedes gave me was proof I did this and this happened. AND THAT is what I asked for in the beginning. So He shouldn't have answered because he didnt have what i was looking for. He offered me no help. If he had said It was ok to do it with no proof except 6 years I would have done the same thing.

This wasnt a post directed like i already had the answer. He just didn't post a sufficient one meeting my standards cause he didn't read. I also asked a second question which he didnt answer because once again he didnt read or didnt have the experience to answer hypothetically. I see you trying to defend him but what he said was garbage to me because he didnt have proof which is what I asked for right off the bat.