Quote Originally Posted by rabernet View Post
This is incorrect. Black pastels and cinnamons (not supers) can also have duck billing and kinking.
really?

but it got to be very rare compared to the supers. also the pewters / black pewters / cinnamons / black pastels ive seen so far didnt have it. and how are you supposed to get supers without kinking and without duckbills, when even the single gene versions show it?

if not even the single-gene versions can be selectively bred for perfect health, that really casts doubt on both genes. i could be wrong, and then i would be shocked because im quite sure about it, but i really believe most lines are clean enough so that you dont get these issues in combos that only contain one copy. and some lines seem to even be clean enough to produce supers that are free of issues.

surely if you start with, lets say, a super black pastel that shows no issues at all, from parents that also show no issues at all, you will get offspring that also shows no issues. or am i wrong and even in this case, in offspring that contains only one copy, the issues still randomly pop up?

should the single-gene morphs be added to the list of morphs with inherent genetic problems? should all people that do not want to deal with any genetic issues remove these genes from their collections, even if the examples they have so far are flawless? i have a hard time believing that its as bad as you make it sound.