I contacted Chad Duggin when I started that thread and he told me that he no longer breeds Hog Islands. I think that I mention that later in that thread. I also contacted Vin Russo and he told me that he's expecting some July-Sept. but he has a waiting list that you have to be put on (that was for some of his light colored Hogs, not sure about his others). Legacy Reptiles did have some pure Hogs for sale on their facebook page a couple of weeks ago.