Not thrilled with LLL Reptile.

[RobNJ]

Quit rat-packing Rob. He isn't saying anything that is unreasonable. If Mike is worried about something more sinister, a necropsy is in order.

No rat packing here Skip, that is all I was saying to begin with. Mike actually did say he thought the king snake may have had something, and that's why I was driving at the point that he should have a necropsy done.

Mike, never said you're to blame, and that you should be compensated in some form or another. If you think something was wrong with the king snake you should have a necropsy done, and pending results should then be sorted out with LLL.

[Skiploder]

I'm sorry to butt in but I've been reading and what is a flipper? Lol

The question is "Who WAS Flipper".

The answer is a friendly dolphin who befriended a young boy. The theme song went like this:

They call him Mikey, Mikey, he posts faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is a bigger post whore than he,
And we know that Mikey, lives in his mother's basement,
Driving there - behind the wheel of a Su-bar-oooooo
Everyone loves the clown prince of OT,
Ever so complimentary and silly is he,
Thanks he will give when women post their selfies,
The number one leg-humper is he!
They call him Mikey, Mikey, he posts faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is a bigger post whore than he,
And we know that Mikey, lives in his mother's basement,
Driving there-behind the wheel of a Su-bar-ooooo

Or something like that.

[Skiploder]

No rat packing here Skip, that is all I was saying to begin with. Mike actually did say he thought the king snake may have had something, and that's why I was driving at the point that he should have a necropsy done.

Mike, never said you're to blame, and that you should be compensated in some form or another. If you think something was wrong with the king snake you should have a necropsy done, and pending results should then be sorted out with LLL.

Re-read it Rob. I was telling the cool kids to stop rat packing you.

Sometimes they get their wood all up and don't know what to do with it.

[RobNJ]

Re-read it Rob. I was telling the cool kids to stop rat packing you.

Sometimes they get their wood all up and don't know what to do with it.

My bad Skip...

[Mike41793]

I'm done with this thread. In the future I'll keep my experiences and opinions to myself. Threads like this are why I've slowed down with the posts on this site so much. They get turned into something completely different than what I intended

Skip go pound rocks in the skid loader down under, and give all the snakes you see kisses. I hear there aren't any dangerous ones there so you should be good

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[Skiploder]

I'm done with this thread. In the future I'll keep my experiences and opinions to myself. Threads like this are why I've slowed down with the posts on this site so much. They get turned into something completely different than what I intended

Skip go pound rocks in the skid loader down under, and give all the snakes you see kisses. I hear there aren't any dangerous ones there so you should be good

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I remember when you could give as good as you got.....or at least when you weren't so lazy with your comebacks.

This thread served a very good purpose. You got hosed. LLL should work with you on the necropsy costs. I know I would....

[Coleslaw007]

I was visiting when Mike picked the snake up, I am personally the one who pointed her out to him. I can vouch that she *appeared* healthy at the time he picked her up. I can also vouch that Mike's setups are up to par. I personally have two kings, a mexican black (nigrita) and a Cali (californiae,) who are and have been thriving in my nearly identical setup, though neither came from LLL. I've purchased many supplies from LLL and have seen them at tons of shows in my area, so I recommended them. After this incident I've read up on their BOI history with live animals. I now seriously regret recommending them to him or pointing that snake out and am thankful I have never purchased anything live from them.

As far as the necropsy goes, I personally wouldn't be having one done in these circumstances. There is no way he'll be reimbursed the cost of one no matter what the findings, and she WAS a different species than the rest of his collection, therefore less likely to transmit something. I know that Mike is reasonably careful about exposing his current collection to new snakes and she definitely did not have mites, so the chances of his other snakes' exposure to anything they could catch is minimal. That said, I wouldn't want to risk getting another snake from them either on the offhand chance they could be harboring anything transmittable. Why risk?

As far as "suggesting disease or infection," well, the snake died out of the blue. I think suggests the possibility on it's own. These are not fragile snakes with advanced husbandry requirements. As Mike and others stated, he was only posting his experience so that others would be informed in the future were they considering making a live purchase from LLL. He could have been MUCH more negative about it. How many times have we seen that from others who had much less grounds to be?

I, for one know I will take this as a lesson and will not be purchasing anything live from LLL. I just no longer have faith in the health of their animals based on this and other accounts I have read. No one else has said it, but I also personally feel that a 24 hour health guarantee is a bit short of a time period and makes me feel as though *they* may not have complete faith in the health of their animals either. This is just my personal take on things, I do understand that the live animal business is a tricky one.

[Mike41793]

I remember when you could give as good as you got.....or at least when you weren't so lazy with your comebacks.

This thread served a very good purpose. You got hosed. LLL should work with you on the necropsy costs. I know I would....

Yea I'm sorry, I'm just not doing well right now. Nothing to do with this thread though.

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[Kodieh]

I feel it's pretty unreasonable to try to put blame (yes, you are placing blame) on Mike. Someone who has a healthy collection and has not track record of poor dealings.

I'd care to go pull all the BOIs that are info or negative about LLL, but I actually don't. Because that's not what this is about.

I agree that a necropsy that is 10x the cost of the original purchase price is unnecessary. Mike understands LLLs policy, and has swallowed the loss of his money. He has made up his own mind about LLL similar to how they have made up their mind about their policy.

This is a live and learn situation, which Mike felt other people should have warning against.

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[Skiploder]

Yea I'm sorry, I'm just not doing well right now. Nothing to do with this thread though.

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You're a good kid. I owe you a side hug and a noogie.