PewterXChampagne offspring: opinion requested

[WtGreg]

So I bred a pewter X a champagne and got a variety of champs. Relative to one another, they all had different traits, be it brightness, head lightness, or coloring. I have one that is for certain a pewterpagne. The others I have been back and forth on. I have been posting this guy as a champange cinny just to be safe, and that is based of the comaprison not only to the for-certain pewterpagne (which is pretty close to this guy to not make this guy certain), but also to the pics online, and a champ-cinny from a champXcinny.

Well, I am first to admit my uncertainty and bouncing back-and-forth. I have even had others say both things.
Got a message after re-posting the ad recently with a person raising the same question, and they had no clue that it was of question in the first place. So that tipped me over the edge to think this is a slightly darker pewterpagne and not just champ cinny.

This has been of question since day 1 when they hatched... Now I want to know what you all think: pewterpagne? Champ cinny?
With uncertainty, I will never post something as more that I know for certainty it is, but damned if it doesn't drive me nuts when I question things like this.



This one is a champXcinny. A lot of similarity in the coloring on the sides and the head.



Different lighting:



Looking at them, my opinion is the safer opinion: champ-cinny. I just don't see the influence of the pastel in the way I do on others' pewterpagnes. I just want to get other opinions as it is the one snake this year that drives me nuts

[zues]

These are always tough. I always lean on the safe side when selling animal. If a buyer ends up with an extra gene they will love you forever but if they end up not having a gene they paid for they will tell everyone that will listen. With all that said I understand your dilemma. Although I don't have a lot of experience with champagne combos I don't see enough to make me say for certain the pastel gene is present but it very well could be. Good luck. Beautiful snake either way.

[WtGreg]

These are always tough. I always lean on the safe side when selling animal. If a buyer ends up with an extra gene they will love you forever but if they end up not having a gene they paid for they will tell everyone that will listen. With all that said I understand your dilemma. Although I don't have a lot of experience with champagne combos I don't see enough to make me say for certain the pastel gene is present but it very well could be. Good luck. Beautiful snake either way.

I think it is a good example of a champ cinny, but I agree about the influence of the pastel being lacking. This is posted a s a champ-cinny and I do not plan on changing that representation of the snake. I have had it posted as such for a while even though the question has arisen throughout. Wouldn't be the first time I sold something and had it prove to be something more, but I'm happy to do that and have a surprise for the other person on the other end.

It's just dogging me being on the edge is all... I admit to being a person who focuses on something and has trouble letting it go, and when I got a message asking if I thought it had more in it, boy did that re-spark that flame, lol.

[Ladybugzcrunch]

I agree champ/cinny. I have been looking at number 21 for quite some time now on fauna. If he were a she, SHE would be in my rack as we speak. I wish someone would buy that one so I wont have to! Love them both, very pretty critters.

[WtGreg]

I agree champ/cinny. I have been looking at number 21 for quite some time now on fauna. If he were a she, SHE would be in my rack as we speak. I wish someone would buy that one so I wont have to! Love them both, very pretty critters.

if he were a she, it would stay in my racks

Thanks for the input!

[Ladybugzcrunch]

if he were a she, it would stay in my racks

Thanks for the input!

Can't blame you there.

[BumbleB]

#21 is awesome! Can not help you with telling what genes are in 16 although he is very nice also