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    I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    As you know, income tax time is rolling around...and now its time to think of what add to my collection. But I need a little help because I can only budget for one or the other (unless you have other ideas).

    Pair #1: 2011 Silver Streak male/ 2012 Silver Streak female
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    Almost breeding size
    Will not produce normals
    One in four shot in producing Super Pewters (goal)
    Both would be useful for future projects

    -Cons: ??

    Pair #2: 2013 Black Pastel YB male and 2013 Pastel Specter female

    -Pros:
    Cheapest option to produce Black Pewter Super stripe (1 in 16 odds)
    Female Pastel Specter will be a useful breeder
    Only $50 more than Pair #1

    -Cons:
    Will take 1.5 to 2 years to reach breeding size
    1 in 16 odds of producing goal
    Will produce normals and specters in same clutch, which might give problems identifying the Specters.

    Which should I choose? Granted they might get sold before I have the cash... but I hope my refund won't take long to come in. If somebody has other suggestions, I'm all ears. I love clown stuff, but I'm doing a breeding loan to produce lesser het clowns... I love pieds, but I would want a sub adult/breeder size female at least. I would love a GHI, but can't see myself paying that much for one hatchling. I don't care for enchis or pinstripe stuff. I love crazy patterns and dark/contrasting/ silver stuff. I adore the yb & black pastel/cinny complexes. I also wonder about starting a Desert project (but then I would have to get enchi Because they go so well together!). Anyways... sorry for my long, indecisive post lol
    Ball Pythons:
    1.0 Hypo Clown; 1.0 Enchi Freeway; 0.1 Ivory pos. pastel, super pastel, butter (Penelope); 0.1 Hypo Chocolate GHI Pastel pos Vanilla (Smokey); 0.1 YB pied; 0.1 enchi YB/asphalt; 0.1 VPI Axanthic (Special Cookies); 0.1 Albino pos YB; 0.1 Hypo Clown; 0.1 Hypo Spinner
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    1.0 Coachwhip; 1.0 Lavender ph hypo hoggie; 0.1 het hypo ph lavender hoggie (Fingermuncher)

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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    I would go with the first option.
    2.4 Piebalds
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    0.1 Pied het albino
    0.1 Killer Pied
    0.2 Savannah Pewter 66% het pied
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    0.2 Cinnamon het pied
    1.0 Pastave het pied
    1.0 Spider het VPI Axanthic
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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    I would also go with the first option
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    If you can not think of any cons to one of the pairs it should really be an easy decision to make
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    I'm assuming you are being loaned a clown to breed your female lesser. I would get a 2011/2012 female clown and next year a pastel(or other gene) clown male. This way you would have lesser het clown male x clown in 2 years and pastel clown x lesser het clown in 3.
    1.1 Pieds 1.1 Super Pastel Lessers 0.1 Super Pastel Yellow Belly 1.0 SuperFly 0.1 Pewter 0.1 Lemon Blast 1.0 Enchi Black Back
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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    Quote Originally Posted by manicmorphs View Post
    I'm assuming you are being loaned a clown to breed your female lesser. I would get a 2011/2012 female clown and next year a pastel(or other gene) clown male. This way you would have lesser het clown male x clown in 2 years and pastel clown x lesser het clown in 3.
    You assume correctly. That is a nice idea, but I want to wait for the clutch to be laid & hatched before I add anything to the project because I don't want to count my chicks before they hatch. Could have bad odds. Or poor gender ratio. I could end up buying the wrong gender.
    Ball Pythons:
    1.0 Hypo Clown; 1.0 Enchi Freeway; 0.1 Ivory pos. pastel, super pastel, butter (Penelope); 0.1 Hypo Chocolate GHI Pastel pos Vanilla (Smokey); 0.1 YB pied; 0.1 enchi YB/asphalt; 0.1 VPI Axanthic (Special Cookies); 0.1 Albino pos YB; 0.1 Hypo Clown; 0.1 Hypo Spinner
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    1.0 Coachwhip; 1.0 Lavender ph hypo hoggie; 0.1 het hypo ph lavender hoggie (Fingermuncher)

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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    between the two options you laid out I would choose the first pair. For the second pair, I would not buy them as a pair now. If they female is a 2013 there is no need to get the male for at least a year. In that time you might change your mind and even if you don't the price on the male you want will probably go down.
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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Mechtly View Post
    between the two options you laid out I would choose the first pair. For the second pair, I would not buy them as a pair now. If they female is a 2013 there is no need to get the male for at least a year. In that time you might change your mind and even if you don't the price on the male you want will probably go down.
    Yeah, you're right. I just put it as an option because it was the cheapest way to produce a black pewter super stripe. I would rather do a black pewter yb x super stripe... but that is expensive. Maybe I could pick out one to be female to raise up. The only black pewter yb I could find was around 1600.... perhaps I could pick up the silver streak pair and a yb breeder size female and do payments on a super stripe female. Breed the silver streak male to the yellow belly while waiting on the silver steak female to come of age/size and produce my own black pewter yb male (hopefully). Price check on breeder size yb female?!
    Ball Pythons:
    1.0 Hypo Clown; 1.0 Enchi Freeway; 0.1 Ivory pos. pastel, super pastel, butter (Penelope); 0.1 Hypo Chocolate GHI Pastel pos Vanilla (Smokey); 0.1 YB pied; 0.1 enchi YB/asphalt; 0.1 VPI Axanthic (Special Cookies); 0.1 Albino pos YB; 0.1 Hypo Clown; 0.1 Hypo Spinner
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    Re: I Need a Little Help Deciding...

    go with no 1 . super pewters are very cool. I have a super black pewter. clown stuff is nice and when you produces hatchlings, it's pretty easy to sell.

    here's a pic of my super black pewter.

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    Thank you guys! I have the silver streak pair on hold and am currently searching for a breeder sized yb female. Then I'll be looking for a super stripe female in the near future. Can't wait!
    Ball Pythons:
    1.0 Hypo Clown; 1.0 Enchi Freeway; 0.1 Ivory pos. pastel, super pastel, butter (Penelope); 0.1 Hypo Chocolate GHI Pastel pos Vanilla (Smokey); 0.1 YB pied; 0.1 enchi YB/asphalt; 0.1 VPI Axanthic (Special Cookies); 0.1 Albino pos YB; 0.1 Hypo Clown; 0.1 Hypo Spinner
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    1.0 Coachwhip; 1.0 Lavender ph hypo hoggie; 0.1 het hypo ph lavender hoggie (Fingermuncher)

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