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    What are the odds?!

    Hey guys,

    Quick (newbie!) question. I plan on breeding my Pastel female P.H. Axanthic to my Mojave male. This may be too broad for anyone to tell. Would anyone be able to tell me the possible clutch outcomes and explain to me how you came up with that?

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    I would say it would be:

    25% 1/4 Het. Axanthic
    25% 1/4 Pastel Het. Axanthic
    25% 1/4 Mojave Het. Axanthic
    25% 1/4 Pastave Het. Axanthic
    I've got quite a few...

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    In order to choose multiple morphs, you'll need to control-click on the different morphs in the columns.
    So in the female column, you'll put Pastel and het Axanthic, male column gets Mojave, and then hit calculate.

    A word of warning though, that pairing will produce no visible recessive morphs, at best you'll get half a clutch that's het for axanthic. And you may not be able to tell what's het and what's not. With your female already only being a poss. het, I don't think pairing her to a mojave without the gene is going to help you any. Wait til you get a couple definite hets, and breed them together.

    EDIT: Of course, that only applies if you want to try for the recessive. If you want pastaves, pair em til they lock!
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    Oh crud. I was off, forgot it said possible het. So it would actually be closer to this:


    12.5% 1/8 Normal
    12.5% 1/8 Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Mojave
    12.5% 1/8 Mojave Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Pastave
    12.5% 1/8 Pastave Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    I've got quite a few...

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    Re: What are the odds?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Montypython696 View Post
    Oh crud. I was off, forgot it said possible het. So it would actually be closer to this:


    12.5% 1/8 Normal
    12.5% 1/8 Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Mojave
    12.5% 1/8 Mojave Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    12.5% 1/8 Pastave
    12.5% 1/8 Pastave Het. Axanthic - VPI Line
    For this to be true it would have to prove out as het axanthic.
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    Re: What are the odds?!

    Yeah that's what I figured. I was hoping you were going to say 100% Pastave
    Thanks for the reply.

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    Re: What are the odds?!

    I would be ecstatic with a pastave . I was just wondering the % of outcome of each would be. I never expected to get any axanthic with her.

    Thanks!

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    Re: What are the odds?!

    yeah if you forget about the possible het part each offspring from that pairing has these odds: 25% pastave, 25% Mojave, 25% Pastel and 25% normal
    Technically they would also be 1/2 of whatever % het the mother is. If she is 50%, they would be 25%. Most people don't really bother with possible het percentages under 50% though.
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    Sorry, but... What does 'het' mean?
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    Re: What are the odds?!

    "Het" means it is a recessive gene and the animal carries it but does not show it. So axanthic for example is recessive... It takes 2 copies of the axanthic gene to show but if the snake only has one it is then a het axanthic.
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