How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!

[fishdip]

Is that what you think happens when a snake constricts prey?

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I know its for a fact with mine since its a good 60 sec before the feeder is dead.

[patientz3ro]

I know its for a fact with mine since its a good 60 sec before the feeder is dead.

Except that it's not a fact.

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~brm2286/constrct.htm

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[fishdip]

Except that it's not a fact.

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~brm2286/constrct.htm

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One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.

[sorraia]

One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.

Once again, movement, even noise, does NOT mean the animal is still alive.

[Yamitaifu]

Once again, movement, even noise, does NOT mean the animal is still alive.

Agreed. Countless studies have been done and proven. Its the same as giving an electric charge to a heart that has been removed from a body. It will still pump and beat, but its dead


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[Thalasuchus]

One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.

Granted that is some gradeschool-level writing but if you click around just a bit you can see it was written by a professor at the University of Louisiana. The info there is kind of sparse (and includes WAY to many "probablies" for my taste)... but that article is also 13 years old.

I stumbled on a feeding video yesterday that might be what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/FFW5Iat82TI?t=1m51s It's a little graphic, but basically the mouse coughs up blood (and its eye looks bloody too) immediately upon constriction and it dies very quickly afterwards. Someone more knowledgeable than me can interject and explain what happened there, whether it's broken blood vessels, cardiac arrest, etc.

Nothing is wrong with killing. We as a civilization have gotten away from the killing of are own food and it has made us soft. Its like they say if slaughter house had glass walls more people would be a vegetarian.

I've seen that too. Interestingly enough, most people who see the slaughter process continue to eat meat afterwards.

[fishdip]

Granted that is some gradeschool-level writing but if you click around just a bit you can see it was written by a professor at the University of Louisiana. The info there is kind of sparse (and includes WAY to many "probablies" for my taste)... but that article is also 13 years old.

I stumbled on a feeding video yesterday that might be what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/FFW5Iat82TI?t=1m51s It's a little graphic, but basically the mouse coughs up blood (and its eye looks bloody too) immediately upon constriction and it dies very quickly afterwards. Someone more knowledgeable than me can interject and explain what happened there, whether it's broken blood vessels, cardiac arrest, etc.



I've seen that too. Interestingly enough, most people who see the slaughter process continue to eat meat afterwards.

To me it looked like from the time it constricted to actual death time was 30 sec.

[Thalasuchus]

To me it looked like from the time it constricted to actual death time was 30 sec.

Which is faster than asphyxiation, and lest we forget the origin of this thread, much faster than being chewed to death by something that doesn't know how to kill efficiently. That mouse might as well have been chewing on a log with no goal in mind but to wear down its teeth, fill its belly and pass time. Like others have said (and I think I already said) it would've taken hours for that BP to die from its horrific injuries.

[Yamitaifu]

Which is faster than asphyxiation, and lest we forget the origin of this thread, much faster than being chewed to death by something that doesn't know how to kill efficiently. That mouse might as well have been chewing on a log with no goal in mind but to wear down its teeth, fill its belly and pass time. Like others have said (and I think I already said) it would've taken hours for that BP to die from its horrific injuries.

This about sums it up. Its just as if you were laying on your deathbed. You either have the choice to a quick death, one that the rodent would have: set one by the crushing of blood vessels, crushed bones or if that all fails, asphyxiation. Or you can die a slow, painful death, the death that the snake had. Being slowly torn apart while still alive.

The mouse will normally (i say normally because there are exceptions) be killed in under a minute. The snake on the other hand will be alive for hours.

As you have said fishdip, you are a hunter. You know how important it is to get a clean shot at an animal. You want to get a shot that will drop it dead instantly or within seconds. You wouldnt want the animal to suffer, atleast i know i wouldnt. The snake has the ability and has adapted to kill a mouse or rat quickly. A much more humane way to die than being chewed apart


Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy snakes and that's pretty close

[patientz3ro]

Granted that is some gradeschool-level writing but if you click around just a bit you can see it was written by a professor at the University of Louisiana. The info there is kind of sparse (and includes WAY to many "probablies" for my taste)... but that article is also 13 years old.

I stumbled on a feeding video yesterday that might be what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/FFW5Iat82TI?t=1m51s It's a little graphic, but basically the mouse coughs up blood (and its eye looks bloody too) immediately upon constriction and it dies very quickly afterwards. Someone more knowledgeable than me can interject and explain what happened there, whether it's broken blood vessels, cardiac arrest...

There's a number of things going on. There are blood vessels rupturing from the pressure throughout its body. That's not only the cause of the bleeding in the eye, it's also the most likely cause of death. If there are vessels rupturing anywhere in the head, it's safe to assume that there are blowouts happening in the vessels of the brain. It's called a hypertensive stroke, and it's lethal.

As far as the bleeding from the mouth, it's impossible to say what's happening with 100% certainty, but there are a couple of things it's likely to be. There may be ruptures in the pulmonary vasculature, which would cause the lungs to fill with blood. It could also be the result of broken ribs puncturing one or both lungs.

To me it looked like from the time it constricted to actual death time was 30 sec.

That's way too fast for asphyxiation to kill. Hypertensive stroke can kill that fast, sometimes faster.



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