Questions on Bees

[Moneypit]

I'm looking at purchasing my first BP and am drawn to the Bees. But, I'm concerned after reading several warning posts against anything with the spider (spyder?) gene because of neurological issues.

Here are my questions:

Should I avoid the Bee because of this issue?

If not, what should I look for to avoid serious issues?

Possible neurological issues aside, what specifically should I look for in a Bee? I see bumblebees from the same breeder, same sex within a year of each other that vary by $300. I will obviously pick one that I like but, what are the "markers" I can look for to pick between when there are many to choose from?


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[Pythonfriend]

the spider gene has a condition known as the wobble.

in many BPs with spider its hard to even notice it, and they might only tilt their head a little bit or have a very slight head wobble, and only when they are excited.

its random, also sometimes it gets better or worse with time, but generally it doesnt affect the quality of the pet or the feeding response or the life expectancy at all. really bad cases are really rare.

its not a big deal, some people avoid it, others dont. some like it, and say it makes the character of the snake more goofy and curious.

people with skilled eyes can see where the brownout line is, and that gives you an indication on how much it will brown out with age and which areas stay yellow. often the brownout line is halfway down the body, sometimes its higher, sometimes its lower. so when you have a bee in mind and you have a good picture from the breeder, just post it here and people can tell you what quality it is, and can point out the brownout line for you.

[iCandiBallPythons]

Hatchlings should be very bright and clear with the least amount of brown flaking around the dorsal. These should stay brighter as they age.
This in one from a clutch back in sept for ref.

This is the mom at 3500 grams she is a 2007

This is a 2010 spinnerblast from the same mom.


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[runintoluck]

If you're looking into bees, pick hatchlings or young snakes that have the least amount of brown speckling/browning out otherwise do expect them to brown out like pastels do when they get older. Obviously, that can vary from snake to snake but if you're looking at getting a bee of some sort that holds color better I would consider maybe a killer bee, humble bee, or a fire bee, but these are more expensive as well.

In terms of the spider wobble effect, I have had two spider gene animals. The first, a spider bp, barely had a wobble versus another killer bee I had a much more noticeable wobble. Both were nice snakes but the killer bee was definitely more loopy. However, neither had trouble striking their prey and securing it.

Just my .02 hope it helps but definitely check out the animal first to observe for yourself if you're worried about anything.

[Moneypit]

Thank you for the helpful replies. I am going to be heading to a reptile show next week and hope to find one I like.

If anyone has some side by side comparison images for the brown out that would be great.


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