Why so obsessed?

[Physician&Snakes]

I think anyone working with Co-doms should also have a few recessives as it does lead to some cool combos later on, and also adds a kick to any normals you produce that are 100% het for something. So far my six specimen breeding group will produce mostly just the market stables: working with Albino, ghost, pastel, spider, butter, & lesser...I just added the latter two...got a deal I could not refuse from the breeder I am buying the others from. I would love to see some BELs pop out of the incubator two seasons from now but it's not certain statistic-wise, and if it was I probably would have no interest. Any lower end morphs I produce like spiders, het albinos, poss het ghost, lesser, and pastel I will probably just look to break even on what they are costing to keep. Visual albinos, supers, and 2+ gene co-doms are where I would take into account a fair profit margin; however, I am by no means planning on quitting my day job or college.

[Frothy]

If someone wants to try breeding BPs and doesn't have a lot of money, they can pick up a breeder pastel and a breeder spider for a couple hundred, whereas getting just a male breeder that has multiple genes, moreso if they are harder to find ones, will cost much more (that's not even mentioning the cost of a breeder female with multiple genes). Also, some people just want to get in and try out the hobby of breeding them. A lot of those (and others) don't have patience, so they buy what is available and what is cheap (i.e. breeder pastels, spiders, etc.), hence the continuation of flooding the market with those morphs.

It is common across almost all markets of any kind, people pay for convenience and ease so they don't have to do the hard work themselves, which leads to some very common and cheap items and some rarer and more expensive ones.

[sho220]

Why is everyone so overly obsessed with co-doms and over flooding the market with them? I saw multiple adds just today for a pastel female for 50 and a spider female for 50 as well... I also saw normals being given away for free. This is beyond sad. Why do so many people feel the need to over produce animals that are already flooded and can not be sold? Seriously what is the point? I think people should seriously cut back on their production.

So let's hear what you have to say on this topic?

So with that said, I assume you didn't produce any single gene/normal babies this year...

[T&C Exotics]

So with that said, I assume you didn't produce any single gene/normal babies this year...

Sure didn't... As a matter of fact I did not produce a single animal this year. But that is not the point of this post at all. I am in the market to buy and with the animals priced as they currently are it would be pointless for me to buy them. I have made the decision to work with recessives mostly. I love the snakes as much as the next guy but if I am going to be breeding them then the sales of the babes needs to pay for the upkeep of the animals. If the sales of the offspring does not cover the cost of the food, water, electricity, and everything else then there is no reason for me to keep them and breed them which is what I love doing. Passion for something can only bring you so far. If the finances are not taken care of then no amount of passion will compensate for the time and energy that was placed into the animals.

[eib88]

I'm newer to ball pythons in general, and am not bashing anyone else's opinion but please understand that a really cool looking pastel, spider, any other base morph, in fact, even a random cool looking normal is still really awesome to see, hold, hear about, read about, etc., in my opinion. I think with all the really fancy crazy multiple gene bps out there they we all have forgotten just how beautiful these creatures really are no matter what their morph is or how much they cost. I know when you are talking business its all about dollars and scents and how much you can make off their offspring but keep in mind that we aren't talking jewelry or random objects. We are talking about living animals. I think its great. Even some other members shared about dreaming of owning these base morphs and even now some of the crazy stuff is affordable. I understand breeders don't breed only for the love of sharing and creating awesome creatures with the public and have to make a profit to continue but where did we all start? 1 or two bps? A normal or single gene? (well most of us) A breeder that is passionate will also want to create the best looking and healthiest specimens to pass on to keep creating the best and most beautiful specimens no matter what they are going to charge for them. What is it really about at the end day? Knowing you've created something beautiful to share with the world... or... making a buck??? Don't get mad get glad that we can all have the morph of our dreams one day!

[eib88]

I'm newer to ball pythons in general, and am not bashing anyone else's opinion but please understand that a really cool looking pastel, spider, any other base morph, in fact, even a random cool looking normal is still really awesome to see, hold, hear about, read about, etc., in my opinion. I think with all the really fancy crazy multiple gene bps out there they we all have forgotten just how beautiful these creatures really are no matter what their morph is or how much they cost. I know when you are talking business its all about dollars and scents and how much you can make off their offspring but keep in mind that we aren't talking jewelry or random objects. We are talking about living animals. I think its great. Even some other members shared about dreaming of owning these base morphs and even now some of the crazy stuff is affordable. I understand breeders don't breed only for the love of sharing and creating awesome creatures with the public and have to make a profit to continue but where did we all start? 1 or two bps? A normal or single gene? (well most of us) A breeder that is passionate will also want to create the best looking and healthiest specimens to pass on to keep creating the best and most beautiful specimens no matter what they are going to charge for them. What is it really about at the end day? Knowing you've created something beautiful to share with the world... or... making a buck??? Don't get mad get glad that we can all have the morph of our dreams one day!

cents not scents**** lol

[sho220]

Sure didn't... As a matter of fact I did not produce a single animal this year. But that is not the point of this post at all. I am in the market to buy and with the animals priced as they currently are it would be pointless for me to buy them. I have made the decision to work with recessives mostly. I love the snakes as much as the next guy but if I am going to be breeding them then the sales of the babes needs to pay for the upkeep of the animals. If the sales of the offspring does not cover the cost of the food, water, electricity, and everything else then there is no reason for me to keep them and breed them which is what I love doing. Passion for something can only bring you so far. If the finances are not taken care of then no amount of passion will compensate for the time and energy that was placed into the animals.

How about prior to this year?

[T&C Exotics]

So let me get this straight... I have a point of view on something about the market as it is right now and I am being questioned about the past?

To answer your question. Last year I produced many single animals, all of which were het for either albino or pied. I did not produce a single normal at all. This has no impact on what is for sale right now and what was bred for this year though.

[Kodieh]

So let me get this straight... I have a point of view on something about the market as it is right now and I am being questioned about the past?

To answer your question. Last year I produced many single animals, all of which were het for either albino or pied. I did not produce a single normal at all. This has no impact on what is for sale right now and what was bred for this year though.

Years past contribute to the problem today, obviously you're guilty of both saturating the market further and enabling someone else to saturate it in the future.

I'd go as far to say I blame you, along with everyone else who breeds, of causing this to happen.

[scooter11]

I don't harbor any I'll will and I'm not trying to offend you. You have a right to your opinion and point of view. But when you make a post blaming people who can't afford to be breeding expensive multiple gene morphs or more uncommon single genes that are still expensive people will get irritated. They have a right to breed whatever they please and can afford. It's basically like saying why are there so many civics on the road and not more kia rios. Because that's what people like in their price range

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