Affordable and safe ways to make a patternless black BP

[satomi325]

does the combo of cinnamon and black pastel, the 8-ball, also have these issues? i tried to figure it out but google was not helpful.

then i know two alternatives that do not have issues, that would be super GHI and super mahogany. Does anyone know where the price for these would be right now?

are there other ways to do a patternless black that i have missed?

and finally to tie it all up: what is the cheapest way to make a patternless black, without the risk of genetic issues like duckbill or spine kinks?

My advice would just use a black pastel or cinnamon to make a super. (and note that a super cinnamon is brown not black)
Yes genetic defects are a possibility, but many people out there have successfully hatched out healthy normal supers.

(EDIT: this is of course related to the question: How to make a healthy panda pied)

Yes. An 8 ball has the same issues as super black pastel and super cinnamon.

Sorry, I don't know the price for a super GHI/mahogany, but I imagine they're *very* expensive.


Panda Pied is a Super Black Pastel Pied. Using any other morph will not make it a Panda Pied. A Super Cinnamon Pied is a White Panda Pied.

My advice would be to just use a black pastel/cinnamon. Yes, they have a chance for defects, but remember that many people have successfully hatched out healthy defect free animals. It's just one of the things you have to deal with as a breeder.
(and note that a super cinny is brown, not black)