Scaleless bp

[B.O.S Reptiles]

What if a rat bites when feeding the animal?

Then you shouldn't have fed live...

[Expensive hobby]

I feel ethically it's wrong. If it's a personal project, it's still questionable but ok, whatever. If it is being done so they can go to market, not ok.

Messing with paint jobs is one thing, but selectively breeding a snake to not have its full anatomy is wrong.

I feel this May turn out like silky Beardies. In that case, you take an animal that requires UV light, but that same light damages their now delicate susceptible skin.

You can't tell me that just having belly scales and heat pits are the only things to consider when determining if it will be a "problem free" project.


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[Mr Oni]

Again, you few do know that other scaleless animals do just fine right?

What about hairless animals?

"Ethics"? They arent growing internal organs on the outside of the body or making 5 heads.

[Pythonfriend]

about rat bites:

rats can easily bite through wood or bone. who in their right mind can believe that the soft scales of a BP protect against a rat bite?

the nastiest possible injuries are when a rat manages to damage the jaw or skull of the snake. Do you think this will change without the "protection" of scales, really?

I would like to point out that there are no issues with scaleles corn snakes and scaleless texas rat snakes. Scaleless beardeds are problematic, but i say thats apples to oranges, bearded dragons with scales have quite extreme scales, also they have legs.

i indeed do believe that if the belly scales and heat pits are fine, they will be just as perfect as scaleless texas rats and scaleless corns. no diference in husbandry. We will see.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

We are talking about Scaleless BP and not having a general live vs f/t debate therefore a little clean up was done, for those wishing to continue the live f/t debate you can do so here http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ng-Live-Debate

[cory9oh4]

Are there any picture of the snakes out of egg yet?

[MorphMaster]

I think it's really cool; although, it isn't for a ball python. Ball Pythons are finicky eaters, and if it requires live, then it doesn't have that sheet of armor to protect and claws or teeth; nevertheless, it is cool and I hope it works out, but i don't see it.

[sho220]

It's neat in a freak-of-nature kind of way, but I would imagine it will remain a niche project...I personally prefer my snakes with scales but I'll definitely be interested in seeing scaleless morphs...in person would be even better than pics...

[Pythonfriend]

i think, if they turn out nice and healthy, it will turn into quite a mainstream recessive project.

like albino or axanthic or clown, some people work with it, some dont. some like it, some dont.

maybe some people will have the scaleless head gene floating around in their combos and dont themselves go for the scaleless?

[Jessiefish]

I think it's really cool; although, it isn't for a ball python. Ball Pythons are finicky eaters, and if it requires live, then it doesn't have that sheet of armor to protect and claws or teeth; nevertheless, it is cool and I hope it works out, but i don't see it.

This! I've just had to give in to a finicky normal hatchling, and I couldn't imagine the potential damage to a little scaleless BP.

I think Brian needs to quit with the obsession of being "FIRST" and chill out. It's starting to come across like megalomania rather than actual passion for the hobby. Every episode of SnakeBytes lately it's like, "I spent THIS much on this animal!" ... "Look at what I produced (and then will charge thousands for)!" ... But it's all about the animals, right, not the $$$?