Scaleless bp

[Pythonfriend]

we need to wait and see how they look out of the egg and after the 1st shed.

scaleless corn snakes and scaleless texas rat snakes dont seem to have any health issues at all, no special husbandry needs, and they shed in one piece, and they maintain their belly scales.

if the scaleless BPs maintain their heat pits and belly scales and shed well, that would be optimal, and they surely will take the market by storm.

about the optics: they do look awesome. the scale structure pixelates everything to a degree. so even basic morphs like a scaleless pinstripe will look new and different.

and (if they turn out healthy) it will be really easy to work with them, because its not a recessive and the heterozygous scaleless head BPs are visual and easy to spot.

im really excited and waiting for news and updates.

[Pythonfriend]

BTW, reptile breeding is still very ethical compared to whats going on in dog breeding.

when issues with certain morphs show up, most breeders actually avoid them.

people avoid and work around risky super forms, people dont breed female deserts, some even stay away from the spider gene because of the wobble.

compare that to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jROjFPAis really really nasty stuff.

[Roman0906]

Wrinkled like my grandmother, I think it's a torment breed and one should not support it. What if a rat bites when feeding the animal? Then you have the greatest of all time Piercing

I can not imagine that this is healthy

I hope it will not prevail.

The drawing on the animals but looks very good - unfortunately. Therefore, I fear it will be many buyers for it.

[trevo]

I think it's a great project. If it weren't for these kind of changes in genes of animals we wouldn't have over half the dog breeds that are available today. If it proves to be a problematic idea then move on, but the possibility of it being problematic isn't enough to justify not trying.

[PiercingPrincess]

I think they won't last.


Scales are to reptiles what epithelium is to humans; without it they will be much more vulnerable to diseases and to parasites. I honestly hope that they don't last; this is something I think shouldn't progress further.

I very much agree. His scaleless corns are still a fairly new project, and I haven't even really heard people talking about them much.. I doubt they will last either. I thought it looked kinda ugly in the egg.. I can only imagine what issues its going to have out of the egg..

[PiercingPrincess]

BTW, reptile breeding is still very ethical compared to whats going on in dog breeding.

when issues with certain morphs show up, most breeders actually avoid them.

people avoid and work around risky super forms, people dont breed female deserts, some even stay away from the spider gene because of the wobble.

compare that to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jROjFPAis really really nasty stuff.

I think the issue is MOST breeders avoid them, not all. Some still continue to make it work and try to figure out how to.. But at what cost? People do, and have bread desert females, it was only this year that one laid and had a successful clutch which is cool, but how many animals were put at risk for those few babies?

[AlexisFitzy]

I can only imagine a cinnamon skinner or a spider skinner or even a banana peel ball python!

Lolz banana peel ball python! How perfect xD


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[Pythonfriend]

NEWS FLASH !!!!!!

two pieces of news:

- Brian from BHB commented somewhere that they do have belly scales and heat pits. i have not uncovered the source yet, someone just quoted the comment in a different thread. that would be big news, it would mean they could be just as healthy as regular BPs.

- Mike Wilbanks purchased the first scaleless head / het scaleless BP that BHB ever sold, for an undisclosed amount in the 6 digits. Here i have a source, different thread in this forum: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-for-6-figures!

I would be a bit surprised if more scaleless heads are sold before next breeding season. I think BHB does not have many right now and will want to produce more fully scaleless ones and get the scaleless head into combos to build a decent breeding stock.

about the issue raised earlier of germs getting into the skin easier: i would just compare a regular shed to a scaleless shed. to my knowledge, there does not seem to be much of a difference in thickness. and snakes with scales have very thin skin between the scales anyway. its something to watch long-term, but i guess it will be fine.

with these news im quite excited. i want to see decent pictures of their heads.


Edit: Banana peel is really a ridiculous naming idea, i also like skinner bee

[Artemille]

A friend of mine who works there had this image:


Also, I heard that Mike Wilbanks bought three scaleless head ball pythons for around $60-70k each, and is thinking of getting more because he wants to have the biggest stake in the project.

[Pythonfriend]

wow, the image is awesome.

thats what i meant when i say: scales pixelate everything.

also thanks for the info on what Mike Wikbanks exactly purchased. the price almost seems a bit low; but then Brian did purchase big stuff from Mike before, i think there is some history and they trust each other.

about the picture, just look at these pattern outlines, and thats just a normal.