Champ question

[Ladybugzcrunch]

I am seriously thinking about adding a champagne to my collection but am having a hard time telling a quality champ from a low quality one. Some have huge markings and some have no pattern at all. Some are real dark and some are super light. I have one picked out and I am sure he will be sold by the time I decide but for future reference, what do you look for in a good champagne?

[Mike41793]

I like lighter, more orange champs with lots of cool pattern.

[rickm]

personal preference...get the one YOU like. it is going to be in YOUR collection, so get what you like. I don't think that there is really a 'quality' standard when it comes to champs(like there is in a pastel for instance), other than obviously a feeding and healthy animal...so it is really about personal preference in champs in my opinion. I like a lot of them. I have seen some with a lot of pattern anomalies, and some very patternless animals that I really like. for me, it is the color that gets me on champs...I like the really light yellow or bright orange animals. I like them all for the most part...they are just so cool. the only ones I would not buy, would be the brown ones or ones that I think would eventually turn brown. my buddy produced a killer pink one this year, it is incredible...and I hope I can talk him out of it!!!

[Pythonfriend]

from what i know from what people say, and from clutch pictures, champagne is an incredibly diverse morph.

ive seen clutch pictures where you had 3 single-gene champagnes and all look different. differences within the same clutch can be dramatic.

i am not sure about this, but maybe the optics of a single-gene champ dont tell you much about the quality of the offspring. maybe its like high white and mid white and low white piebalds, just random and all over the place.

one thing i do know: enchi brings back the pattern. champagne has a reputation of obliterating the pattern of anything you throw at it, not so with enchi.

[Ladybugzcrunch]

So could a patternless champ throw patterned offspring?

[Pythonfriend]

So could a patternless champ throw patterned offspring?

i would never rule it out, i think it happens.

but then, the champagne gene has to interact with the rest of the normal BP genome somehow, so it may be true that it still does make a difference if you go for a patternless or patterned one.

like with enchi to normal, it makes a difference if you breed it to reduced patterned normals compared to busy patterned normals.

it would make sense to get pictures of the parent snakes and to take these into consideration. Maybe even further back, pictures of grandparents.

i think the gene is a real wildcard, but i dont believe that the rest of the genome doesnt affect it, i think the truth is somewhere inbetween.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

My idea of perfect champagne (if I was to get a champagne) would be one from Dave Green , he consistently produce outstanding ones in my opinion.