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[KMG]

Neal,

Sho has a point. If you don't want to explain something that you believe needs to be explained don't post a simple answer that is not totally true. Wait until you feel like sharing a detailed post or just let somebody else. Not that I think this question needed alot of detail. You did say "all snakes" which dooms your post out of the gate with incorrect information.

I do understand what you are saying about giving advise to new hobbyist but how else are they to learn? However accidentally giving incorrect information is more of a disservice to new hobbyist than vague information. They can always ask for more details but may not question information started as a fact.

Try to post it right the first time and you won't have to respond in detail later. Like your edit about the half log. You should have shared that in your first post.

[Neal]

Neal,

Sho has a point. If you don't want to explain something that you believe needs to be explained don't post a simple answer that is not totally true. Wait until you feel like sharing a detailed post or just let somebody else. Not that I think this question needed alot of detail. You did say "all snakes" which dooms your post out of the gate with incorrect information.

I do understand what you are saying about giving advise to new hobbyist but how else are they to learn? However accidentally giving incorrect information is more of a disservice to new hobbyist than vague information. They can always ask for more details but may not question information started as a fact.

Try to post it right the first time and you won't have to respond in detail later. Like your edit about the half log. You should have shared that in your first post.

No he doesn't have a point. I don't mind sharing details but as much as we answer the question about hides, it's just better to say identical. It's not incorrect information though, it's always best to try to provide two identical hides because what if the snake prefers one over the other and it's not the temperature he really wants, this is one of the many reasons a snake can be stressed. A BP will choose security over temperature, and because of this I've seen burns and all that because of incorrect husbandry. I answered it shortly with the a direct answer and he wanted to come troll to make an audience.

Point out my incorrect information please. How about you know what you're talking about before you come to me talking about anything being incorrect information. An identical hide is always going to be better for any given snake, regardless of it being a BP or not. Some snakes won't even use a hide as is the case with my Rufous Beaked who have a highway under the substrate, but I still provide two identical hides even though I only really see it used during shed.

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Also you should try to understand the reason I edited my original post instead of assuming you knew why. I never said anything about it being half log because I don't know if it is or not. I made a general statement. Log hides come in half and whole. I don't know what he has so I didn't assume like you assuming the reason I edited my post.

[4theSNAKElady]

Let's not be picky and start an issue over this. You've been here and seen enough to know that the hides should be similar, not have to be identical. But somebody reading this thread and seeing they can be different can be taken the wrong way. Who's to say my idea of different isn't vaguely different from another person. Does it have to be the same exact size? No. Same material? No. So in their mind they can go do two way different hides and then it's because it was briefly read and it said they don't have to be identical.

We recommend stuff that is easier for newer keepers to understand because something we have that we've all acquired over time in dealing with snakes they don't have. I know the hides don't have to be identical, but I have experience. Most of us recommend not to bother feeding new snakes but they have people who have been here for years that do this regardless, because while know they won't always eat, others may freak out because there new snake isn't eating. Some veteran members recommend new keepers to not feed during shed, but I know many many if not most of us veteran keepers feed while they're in shed, or at least offer.

It's different when talking from one veteran to another versus a veteran to a new keeper. So again, let's not start an issue here.

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A prime example is BOS using a log hide and a rock hide. That log hide has two entrances versus if it's the exo terra rock hide I'm thinking of has one, that means less security and at some point in the time he's been a member on the forums he's read that the hides don't have to be identical, so that's where that came into play. If somebody says similar the definition of similar can vary by so much it's not even funny. Identical is safer when talking to a new person for this exact reason.

That was a very well said post Neal!

sent from my incubator

[NH93]

I like to use paper towel and toilet paper rolls around my cages - not as hides, but as security for when snakes are on the prowl. For the hides, I also like some of the small animal products as they can be more natural looking, easier to clean, and CHEAPER than the reptile ones! Funny though, about the half log thing. I have about 5 hides in Beau's tank (he's just a hatchling so there's enough room for that many) plus all of the rolls and fake plants, and his favourite spot during the day is the half log hide! I even have an empty (clean) cardboard coffee cup halved and on top of the log, which he uses occasionally, but so far every day he's in that half log! He hasn't even touched the rock hide, which is RIGHT next to the log and both are evenly covering the UTH. Too funny!

I would say though, OP, if you notice your snake seems hesitant to move hides, try adding one more into the mix (so like one on the hot side, one on the cool side, one in the middle). If you don't want to buy anymore identical hides, you can always make them. Depending on the size of your snake, you can cut cardboard boxes/cereal boxes, tissue boxes, coffe cups, etc. and throw away once dirtied.

[KMG]

No he doesn't have a point. I don't mind sharing details but as much as we answer the question about hides, it's just better to say identical. It's not incorrect information though, it's always best to try to provide two identical hides because what if the snake prefers one over the other and it's not the temperature he really wants, this is one of the many reasons a snake can be stressed. A BP will choose security over temperature, and because of this I've seen burns and all that because of incorrect husbandry. I answered it shortly with the a direct answer and he wanted to come troll to make an audience.

Point out my incorrect information please. How about you know what you're talking about before you come to me talking about anything being incorrect information. An identical hide is always going to be better for any given snake, regardless of it being a BP or not. Some snakes won't even use a hide as is the case with my Rufous Beaked who have a highway under the substrate, but I still provide two identical hides even though I only really see it used during shed.

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Also you should try to understand the reason I edited my original post instead of assuming you knew why. I never said anything about it being half log because I don't know if it is or not. I made a general statement. Log hides come in half and whole. I don't know what he has so I didn't assume like you assuming the reason I edited my post.

Wow!!! Thanks for the neg rep and email Neal. I guess I hit a nerve. I was not trying to start anything with you and thought I was plainly stating my opinion in a polite way. I guess I failed.

If your snake chooses a secure hide and gets burned that the owners fault, not the snakes. Like you said it is because of incorrect husbandry, it has nothing to do with the hides. Have to of the same hides will also not always keep a snake from getting burned if the hotspot is to hot. My ball has two very different hides and stays in the warm hide most of the time but since the temps are correct their is no problem and I know she will not be burned. You are trying to prove a point using a different keeping issue as the reason. That doesnt work.

I also was not assuming why you put in your little edit bit. I was just suggesting that it should have been stated in your first post. What do I not know what Im talking about? The comment "all snakes need two identical hides" is incorrect. I guess I need to add some to my gtp cage. Or I need to add another hide in my bloods cages since I use one hide and one side of crumpled newspaper.


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Neals Comment: Clearly I can say waht I want and edit or repost if I didn't get to type it in the first time. It's called using a cell phone.

My question: Why do I not get to do the same?

[dxpx]

I understand all sides here but this just required a simple answer.

Is he eating, pooping, and shedding normally with good temps being offered? If so, job well done. If not, then maybe its time to start questioning your setup (ie. Hides, etc) Unless your snakes talk to you, the only way to know they are stressed is looking for the signs (eating, shedding, etc).

The care of BP's isn't as simple as the traditional pet trade makes them out to be but its not rocket science either. If he's not burning himself, then leave him be. Maybe he likes it hot.

Just my 2¢. That's why they personal. Cause everyone has their own opinion.

[Mephibosheth1]

Just like Skiploders post on Zen and herps

There is no "right way" as long as they are having a quality life

[Neal]

Wow!!! Thanks for the neg rep and email Neal. I guess I hit a nerve. I was not trying to start anything with you and thought I was plainly stating my opinion in a polite way. I guess I failed.

If your snake chooses a secure hide and gets burned that the owners fault, not the snakes. Like you said it is because of incorrect husbandry, it has nothing to do with the hides. Have to of the same hides will also not always keep a snake from getting burned if the hotspot is to hot. My ball has two very different hides and stays in the warm hide most of the time but since the temps are correct their is no problem and I know she will not be burned. You are trying to prove a point using a different keeping issue as the reason. That doesnt work.

I also was not assuming why you put in your little edit bit. I was just suggesting that it should have been stated in your first post. What do I not know what Im talking about? The comment "all snakes need two identical hides" is incorrect. I guess I need to add some to my gtp cage. Or I need to add another hide in my bloods cages since I use one hide and one side of crumpled newspaper.


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Neals Comment: Clearly I can say waht I want and edit or repost if I didn't get to type it in the first time. It's called using a cell phone.

My question: Why do I not get to do the same?

Well when you call me out for something you think you know about and you don't I grade accordingly. You didn't hit a nerve at all. The thing is it's always best to have identical hides, do you need them? No. Do you need any hides? No. Some things you just don't explain because it gets involved in depth and it makes the same point in the end. It's easier to say all snakes then to say well some snakes don't need hides, but for BP's you want identical hides. Then they ask what other snakes don't and do? Then I have to answer more questions that was easier to state in the first place. Also I know what snakes BOS has which is why I said what I did. I don't deal with bloods and GTP don't use hides, but why go into depth about something he doesn't have?

[LooptyLoo]

I am not entirely certain why threads started by B.O.S. tend to turn out with people throwing rocks at each other.

[Mephibosheth1]

This time I don't think it's OPs fault...