What are the chances of my ball python climbing in her enclosure?

[dillymann]

I hope she uses it


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[dillymann]

Ill keep you guys updated on my build


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[Jswan]

I recently purchased some of that malleable repti-vine stuff and have it connected from two small trees inside my enclosure, and my guy climbs on it every night. I've even seen him coil around it and lower himself to his waterdish, its actually quite cool to see. Granted he's still just a little guy and the vines do only sit a few inches off the ground. I also have leaves intertwined on the lid of the tank that he crawls around in every night. Not speaking from any level of expertise but probably just depends a bit on the snake and I don't think it would hurt to try.

[dillymann]

I recently purchased some of that malleable repti-vine stuff and have it connected from two small trees inside my enclosure, and my guy climbs on it every night. I've even seen him coil around it and lower himself to his waterdish, its actually quite cool to see. Granted he's still just a little guy and the vines do only sit a few inches off the ground. I also have leaves intertwined on the lid of the tank that he crawls around in every night. Not speaking from any level of expertise but probably just depends a bit on the snake and I don't think it would hurt to try.

Thanks for the info


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[Skiploder]

I recently purchased some of that malleable repti-vine stuff and have it connected from two small trees inside my enclosure, and my guy climbs on it every night. I've even seen him coil around it and lower himself to his waterdish, its actually quite cool to see. Granted he's still just a little guy and the vines do only sit a few inches off the ground. I also have leaves intertwined on the lid of the tank that he crawls around in every night. Not speaking from any level of expertise but probably just depends a bit on the snake and I don't think it would hurt to try.

Whatever works for you and your snake is fine. Ball pythons do climb in the wild and they do it enough that it's been documented that avian prey can make up a large portion of their diet.......and no ladies, I'm not going to do your research for you - I've passed out the link to that darn study enough over the past few years. Expand your minds and think beyond the plastic tub with the one hide, the water bowl and the flexwatt. Experimenting intelligently is often a good thing for both the owner and the snake.

Again, if it works for you and more importantly, your snake, go ahead and do it.

[Mike41793]

Whatever works for you and your snake is fine. Ball pythons do climb in the wild and they do it enough that it's been documented that avian prey can make up a large portion of their diet.......and no ladies, I'm not going to do your research for you - I've passed out the link to that darn study enough over the past few years. Expand your minds and think beyond the plastic tub with the one hide, the water bowl and the flexwatt. Experimenting intelligently is often a good thing for both the owner and the snake.

Again, if it works for you and more importantly, your snake, go ahead and do it.

I agree with you on everything, the only thing is the sample size for that study was so small that i don't think it's appropriate to draw any definitive conclusions from it.

[Skiploder]

I agree with you on everything, the only thing is the sample size for that study was so small that i don't think it's appropriate to draw any definitive conclusions from it.

...how large was the sample size for the studies that:

1. Showed that they like indented kraft paper?
2. Bask on flexwatt at a precise temperature of 91 degrees?
3. Hate glass cages with screen tops?

I think they were considerably smaller than the study that PROVED that they CLIMB trees in search of AVIAN prey.

Just out of curiosity, in your professional opinion as a wildlife biologist, how large should the sample size have been?

[Mephibosheth1]

How big was the same size??

And the matter of sample size has nothing to do with wildlife biologists; that is actually a statistical problem, and it has been seen time and time again that some scientists ignore the statistical side of things in order to obtain "results"

[Mike41793]

...how large was the sample size for the studies that:

1. Showed that they like indented kraft paper?
2. Bask on flexwatt at a precise temperature of 91 degrees?
3. Hate glass cages with screen tops?

I think they were considerably smaller than the study that PROVED that they CLIMB trees in search of AVIAN prey.

Just out of curiosity, in your professional opinion as a wildlife biologist, how large should the sample size have been?

1. No idea, i've never heard they "like" that. Never heard of a study for it either. Over the years I've used a variety of different substrates and settled on newspaper for one reason: i like it best lol. Honestly though, if i kept my snakes in a hardwood floor or tiled room i'd probably use cypress mulch. I think it looks nicer but it get all over the floor and my vacuum cant handle the bigger chips lol.

2. I'm not aware of any studies for this either but if you have some i'd be happy to read. I don't keep mine at 91, thats too hot imo. Mine have a 87-88deg hotspot. Once again, from my experience observing their behaviour, they seem more content at those cooler temps.

3. They don't hate them at all! Way back when i only had a few snakes mine did just fine in them. I wasn't aware bps were capable of "hating" something, i think they're far too simple minded for those kind of emotions lol.

The sample size was like only 20 or 30 snakes right? Maybe i'm thinking of something else i read though. Sorry but going over in Africa and looking for balls, when there are THOUSANDS over there, and finding 30 in trees doesn't prove a whole lot for me lol. I DO believe they hunt birds in trees, i said i agreed with you about that and the climbing, but i don't think quoting that study to prove your point means its as common as you make it out to be.


None of that is science or studies^, my sample size is even smaller than the study being discussed, but experience counts far more for me than anything i can read in a book. And because i feel bad for making you try to interpret my scattered thoughts, here's a quote that will hopefully help you understand what i mean...

“I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing
than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance”- E.E. Cummings

[Reinz]

I would not be surprised that they hunt birds at all. When I let mine loose in the house he always climbs as high as he can. He gets up on top of the door frame trying to work his way to the ceiling. He almost got in the attic once.