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[Mike41793]

Lmao! There's no comparison, but i've been saying that from the beginning lol. I'm not gunna keep running my mouth though bc i don't wanna ruin the thread and piss off del

[bkelley02]

People slammed them at the beginning for posting too soon and now that they want to talk to others that say they have eggs hatching, or due to hatch from deserts before they report on the eggs, people are slamming them for waiting too long. I"m anxious to find out as well, but can't we give them some time before bashing them one way or the other?

[T&C Exotics]

People slammed them at the beginning for posting too soon and now that they want to talk to others that say they have eggs hatching, or due to hatch from deserts before they report on the eggs, people are slamming them for waiting too long. I"m anxious to find out as well, but can't we give them some time before bashing them one way or the other?

Normally I would completely agree with you but they said numerous times that they were going to post pictures as soon as the eggs hatched which was 21 days ago. No pictures were posted. That was said on Facebook. At the show they were saying they could not tell is any were Deserts. So which story is it? That is all directed at Family Reptiles not to the OP of this thread.

[Mike41793]

I said they were jumping the gun because after reading the posts then you'd have idiots hearing "oh deserts can be bred now!" and going and killing their females trying to breed them. I said it because i was concerned for those desert females out there that are at the mercy of their keepers. Thats exactly what i'm still concerned about now. If you goofed up, swallow your pride and just tell everyone that you didn't get any deserts. Then, if i were them, i'd be getting a refund from whoever they got their "desert" from. I don't think it's at all amusing to be beating around the bush like this when it comes to animals lives being at stake.

[MarkS]

Still not the same.

I just wanted to chime in and say that's a really pretty snake.

[West Coast Jungle]

We also need to realize just because they didn't hatch deserts doesn't confirm that snake wasn't a desert, bad odds happen all the time. my buddy bred a butter to a normal and got all normals. I had 19 eggs from 3 clutches from spider to pastel and got 9 normals and in the last clutch finally hit 1 bumble bee. When you have not bred many clutches(or any) it's easy to swear by the odds but those of us that have hatched 100's of clutches know the numbers don't mean poo sometimes.
Not defending this situation by any means and I don't know Family reptiles whatsoever, just adding experience to the reality of the situation. I always tell folks the odds are the odds but at the end of the day it's still Vegas and nothing is certain.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch

[Kodieh]

I disagree completely, if it became gravid, laid eggs, and none are deserts it's definitely NOT a desert. Because deserts die when gravid, and this one did not, but hatched no deserts it's not a desert.

At least, that's how I look at it.

Snowing in Cuba.

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[West Coast Jungle]

I disagree completely, if it became gravid, laid eggs, and none are deserts it's definitely NOT a desert. Because deserts die when gravid, and this one did not, but hatched no deserts it's not a desert.

At least, that's how I look at it.

Snowing in Cuba.

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I never said it was a Desert I said any experienced breeder will tell you sometimes odds suck and you get nothing. Many deserts have survived being gravid but slugged out, not died.

You can disagree but those are facts.

[CapeFearConstrictors]

I disagree completely, if it became gravid, laid eggs, and none are deserts it's definitely NOT a desert. Because deserts die when gravid, and this one did not, but hatched no deserts it's not a desert.

At least, that's how I look at it.

Snowing in Cuba.

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This bolded part is simply not true. Sure, a few desert females have been said to have died from being egg bound, but the vast majority of the accounts I've seen or heard of ended up with the female slugging out and being just fine afterwards.

This is how rumors and gossip spread. I tell my 12 year old son "don't state something as fact unless you have proof to back it up." That advice works well here too.

For what it's worth, I spoke with Family early on Saturday at Daytona and while they didn't come out and say it, I got the impression that they did, in fact, hatch some deserts in this clutch. They mentioned that they changed up their husbandry a bit and that might have been a contributing factor. He also mentioned that the female in question was 9 years old, which might also have been a contributing factor. I'm willing to keep an open mind about it, but regardless of the outcome, the desert project has already, IMO, taken a fatal blow.

[S.I.R.]

Well said Josh! Although I still have not completely given up on the desert project. Not completely sure if I will try to breed my girls, but I know that if I do they are gonna be well sized mature animals before I even contemplate doing so. Just my thought on the matter.