News: 2 die in rock python attack

[Kat_Dog]

This coincides with the desert eggs thread, if it was true that a desert laid eggs or a python killed two kids they'd be screaming to high heaven.

What we know then is that the snake didn't do it and they've allowed the evidence of the real killer to be cleaned up because they released the scene.

They didn't scream because they trusted the person who did it. Do we have another Casey Anthony? Helped kill her kids so that she and the shop owner could have an unburdened life?

Who knows. We sure won't know what really happened. But two kids are dead, and destroying a hobby isn't the way towards justice.

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I mean, I wonder if it's real that the police are starting a murder investigation, or if the news station made it up.
(Did I interpret your post correctly?)

I'm pretty sure this was carbon monoxide poisoning and not the snake... Everything I've read seems to point away from the snake. Though, the news reporting is so shoddy and focused in the snake, there's no way you could get any real info out of it...

[Kodieh]

Yeah, not that I hope it was a human or something else, I just hope it isn't the snake...

I hope the report is real, and everyone else is just like "not interesting anymore".

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[sunshinenorcas]

I have a question/possible scenario. Kids were in the living room right?

Lets say son and dad were in the other room, but kids were sleeping right next to each other. Could the snake have gotten into the room, and looking for something warm, laid on the kids? That's a big animal (100lbs right?) and 100lbs of muscle on a 5 and 7 year old, especially if it managed to get right on their chests/windpipe. If there were any broken bones, or trauma, they could have gone into shock before being able to do anything or scream... and hard to scream if a big snake is on your windpipe. Death throes/panic could have frightened the snake and caused it to defensive bite. It wouldn't need to constrict to cause asphyxiation on two kids that size.

It'd still be the snake who killed them, but freak accident and utterly the fault of the owner for having the snake in something it could get out off, especially if it's happened before.

[Shadera]

I wonder if that's real or something that news station just came up with... I can only seem to find it on the 2 versions of that same news station...

Still it's strange that there hasn't been any updates about this case in the last few days....

They got their desired scapegoat. Why would they want to go back and admit they possibly jumped the gun?

Haven't had a chance to search for more info to back it up, but hopefully the truth is out there.

[Kodieh]

I have a question/possible scenario. Kids were in the living room right?

Lets say son and dad were in the other room, but kids were sleeping right next to each other. Could the snake have gotten into the room, and looking for something warm, laid on the kids? That's a big animal (100lbs right?) and 100lbs of muscle on a 5 and 7 year old, especially if it managed to get right on their chests/windpipe. If there were any broken bones, or trauma, they could have gone into shock before being able to do anything or scream... and hard to scream if a big snake is on your windpipe. Death throes/panic could have frightened the snake and caused it to defensive bite. It wouldn't need to constrict to cause asphyxiation on two kids that size.

It'd still be the snake who killed them, but freak accident and utterly the fault of the owner for having the snake in something it could get out off, especially if it's happened before.

The guy said there were no screams, and everyone else says that at least one would have been able to scream. So, I'd look at him a lot more closely.

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[sunshinenorcas]

If they were laying right next to each other? I'm not talking about him constricting the kids, the 'what if' is if he managed to kill them by just being on their chests, which wouldn't take long. And it's not like snakes are fast predators, so if he killed/squished/did something that put him into shock before moving over to the next kid... IDK. And people in shock act in funny ways. KIDS in shock act in funny ways. Not everyone has a strong fight response to 'omg huge animal is laying on my brother, what do I do', he COULD have just been scared and laid still... and then got squished if the snake moved.

[Kodieh]

That's even more peculiar than the snake violently attacking the kids.

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[sunshinenorcas]

"Compressive asphyxia (also called chest compression) is mechanically limiting expansion of the lungs by compressing the torso, hence interfering with breathing. Compressive asphyxia occurs when the chest or abdomen is compressed posteriorly"


"Smothering is the mechanical obstruction of the flow of air from the environment into the mouth and/or nostrils, for instance, by covering the mouth and nose with a hand, pillow, or a plastic bag"




A snake that big would not need to bite or constrict two small kids in order to kill them. 100lbs is more then enough weight to do either of those, especially if the kids were sleeping and still, and right next to each other, and from what I've seen, no one is accounting for shock when they talk about the victims responses. It may take minutes to technically die by either of those methods, but if your body is in shock, you try to hyperventilate and try to breathe, which would speed up the process and probably make you black out and go inert, making it easier to be still enough to be killed.


It may be unusual, but no more unusual then a sociopath (true sociopaths are really, really, really rare btw- do not let TV fool you) killing two kids for no reason and using a snake as a cover. Or a mother killing her kids to get with her best friend, both of which I've seen discussed as legit possibilities.

I'm not blaming the snake at all- if it was the snake, it was just doing what snakes do, not trying to 'be mean or aggressive man killer', which is a heck of a lot more then I can say for some dog attacks or even other exotics. I fully blame the owner for having an animal that big in an enclosure that it had gotten out of before. If anything, I hope its a reality check to someone who wants a big snake because LOL BIG SNAKES ARE SO COOL AND AWESOME LOOK HOW *MANLY* I AM WITH THIS BIG OL' ANIMAL, AREN'T I COOL. Uh no. There are valid reasons for keeping big snakes, but ego boosts are not them.

[Kodieh]

The only flaw in your highly logical post is that the only real detail officially released is that the COD is asphyxiation. Now, not compression asphyxiation but just asphyxiation which is a condition of severely deficient supply of oxygen to the body that arises from being unable to breathe normally. An example of asphyxia is choking.


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[sunshinenorcas]

Has the full autopsy report been produced or released? From what I'd understood, it hadn't but only two things had been leaked- the COD being asphyxiation and the bite marks. Which don't say much, or explain anything without the context of other injuries. Someone could have heard 'asphyxiation' and tuned out the rest while writing the report.

If the kids got choked by an adult, there would massive, massive injuries to their necks- internal or external. If they were poisoned by carbon monoxide, there would be skin discoloration. Chest compressions, I'd imagine a lot of trauma to the chest and neck. There'd be popped vessels... there are lots of indicators for different things. Just going 'asphyxiation, must be the adult!' isn't enough. There's not enough that's been released one way or another that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, 'whodunnit'. People were asking how the snake could have done it without waking the kids, so I brought up a scenario where it could have asphyxiated them without constricting.