I definitely agree that it is a problem there, don't get me wrong. And I agree that irresponsible owners play a part, and I can definitely tell you that I have no sources or evidence to say which has had a greater impact on numbers. I just like to see a bit more balance when there are discussions, and put things into perspective a bit . And yes, I know there have been species that have been devastated from over hunting--but there has to be a huge incentive for that. For the most part, species have been over-hunted to extinction since it would either earn that person a salary to live off of, or provide food to live off of. I personally don't see hunting being successful unless we put more money into it than I am willing to see spent