I would agree with you both. Most if not ALL of the other threads are hear say and end up making the whole thread topic become an uncomfortable subject to talk about. If people are bashed for talking about something then of course they won't talk about it. In my short time in the ball python hobby (or even my longer time in the reptile hobby for that matter) I have heard a lot about the secrecy that goes on. I'm still not sure as to why, since the reason for being in a hobby with animals is SUPPOSED to be because you love the animals! I'm guessing greed or with things like this, shame is the reasons why people keep a big secret. Lets try to remember that breeding these snakes and having them slug out or become eggbound is not just a loss for the breeder but the animals themselves are at risk. This thread is intended to get facts and information, NOT to bash people.