Really weird Black Pastel or something else?

[SajaRawr]

Hi guys thanks for taking the time to read the whole post

I think i forgot to say this
when i got offered this male a while ago and the seller told me it was a black pastel the i didnt believe it, i started reading and i saw some features of a BP but not all but i also started to look to some other morphs like cinny,YB,Special and it doesnt like any of these, but in that moment it was a bit expensive for something that didnt look quite as a black pastel (250 dollars) so a few days ago he puted for acution and once again i remembered that the snake didnt look anything like what ive seen before so i choosed to buy him, i never meant to have a male black pastel i actually have asked to a friend of mine to bing me a BHB female black pastel, so you could tell my interest in this male is as a dinker project, anyway i really cant tell what does exactly he is until i see him tomorrow morning in my hands so i can check out the eyes, the true color and the belly, even if hes a black pastel i think hes the weirdest looking black pastel and maybe he has something special going on inside but i will be just be capable of say that until tomorrow morning,

I dont get why some of you guys say "low quality black pastel" i really hope you can explain me guys i mean i dont see why low or high quality, do you see this in how black the snake is? how many donuts in the pattern it has''

Thanks alot!

[PiedPeddler]

I dont get why some of you guys say "low quality black pastel" i really hope you can explain me guys i mean i dont see why low or high quality, do you see this in how black the snake is? how many donuts in the pattern it has''

I think there is a chance the snake you are acquiring is a Black Pastel. The reason for "low quality" is the lack of black "squiggles" in the side pattern, the extensive "flames" up the sides, and its normal back pattern. Black Pastels do have "flames" up the sides, but usually not that extensive. The average internet expert can look at a picture of a high quality Black Pastel and congratulate the owner, however they will see a lower-quality Black Pastel and claim it is not a Black Pastel at all. Regarding the "donuts", I think you mentioned in an earlier post that your snake has lots of them but I see none. Look at the rings down the back of the Black Pastel below. These are the "donuts" I look for as an indicator that a snake could be a Black Pastel.



Enjoy your new snake and please share some of your own pictures once you get him.

Paul

[SajaRawr]

Hi Paul!

Thanks for the explaining me how coud it be a high and low quality black pastel
by the way i didnt say it has lots of donuts i said this

the pattern is weird, lots of blush and the typical donuts in the pattern....

hehe i said lots of blush not "lots of donuts" hehe and i with blush i meant flames... my mistake hehe but its almost tomorrow and i will have the snake in my hands soon when i do ill post pictures of mine so we can decide what does exactly this male is

[SajaRawr]

So today i finally got him and hes one of a kind, hes a little thin but he has some pretty dark black and some awsome brown he has some giggles on the donuts the flames on the sides are pretty high and it has a very clear white belly, the eyes are deep dark with a little bit of white/silver on the top of the eye and no its not the reflection of the light i already check that, he has also a little flame on the top of his head, here are the pictures

[SajaRawr]

Now that there are new pics what do you think?

[JaGv]

i say it has some black pastel features.

[angllady2]

Guys, I think that is a Black Pastel. Maybe not what comes to mind when you hear someone say BP, but I'm going to say for sure it is one.

I've seen several snakes that looked pretty much like this one from some pretty well known breeders here in the US on Kingsnake and Fauna being sold as Black Pastels. So I think it's very possible this snake is one. Certainly I've seen one or two in person that looked much like this being sold as a black pastel when I was at Tinley Park.

Yes the coloring is off, but the faint shadows of "squiggles" in the markings certainly suggest BP. The flames are a bit extreme, but I've seen them before on rare occasions on black pastels that were similar. Now, if I were shopping for a black pastel, this certainly is not an animal I'd purchase as a black pastel, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. I am guessing the buyer is located outside of the US, and this might be the only black pastel he/she has access to. I know most of you will disagree, but I'm still going to call it a black pastel. Not a stellar example, but I think it is one anyway.

Gale

[dr del]

I really don't see anything about it that says black pastel to me.

It doesn't have the dark blacks, the high oranges or the floating patterns.



I'd like to see where the pattern from the side meets the belly though.

It looks way more YB like than black pastel to me.

[SajaRawr]

Guys, I think that is a Black Pastel. Maybe not what comes to mind when you hear someone say BP, but I'm going to say for sure it is one.

I've seen several snakes that looked pretty much like this one from some pretty well known breeders here in the US on Kingsnake and Fauna being sold as Black Pastels. So I think it's very possible this snake is one. Certainly I've seen one or two in person that looked much like this being sold as a black pastel when I was at Tinley Park.

Yes the coloring is off, but the faint shadows of "squiggles" in the markings certainly suggest BP. The flames are a bit extreme, but I've seen them before on rare occasions on black pastels that were similar. Now, if I were shopping for a black pastel, this certainly is not an animal I'd purchase as a black pastel, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. I am guessing the buyer is located outside of the US, and this might be the only black pastel he/she has access to. I know most of you will disagree, but I'm still going to call it a black pastel. Not a stellar example, but I think it is one anyway.

Gale

Thanks Gale i really think the same you do!

I really don't see anything about it that says black pastel to me.

It doesn't have the dark blacks, the high oranges or the floating patterns.

I'd like to see where the pattern from the side meets the belly though.

It looks way more YB like than black pastel to me.

I have to say buddy that the black on this snake is deep black i cant say anything about the flames cuz it washes out in a brown color but the black zones are pretty deep black, ill let you a picture of the belly here for you to see, by the way YB can have deep black eyes?

here are the pictures



The belly is clear white just as a pied belly, really really white

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

The lack of dark donuts in the alien heads and a clear lack of ANY copper dorsal striping would rule this out as a Black Pastel to me.

Here's mine trying to get it on with my 0.1 Pied...