Marks, my reference to him calling me a liar is he specifically calls me out by name and then says publicly that what I am saying is impossible! In my opinion that is him calling me a liar. My statements are based on a real life system that I use daily. I am not just making wild accusations that I cant back up. I too only want whats best for the animals as well. The last thing I would ever want to do is give bad advice that would harm an animal. You know I realize that Kitedemon deals with measuring heat in his everyday job I will not discredit that but that may not be the best thing either because there is a point where you become too passionate about what you do and your opinion becomes bias. All I ask is that he stops calling me out by name in front of other users and saying that my statements are wrong. It makes me look like I am giving false info to other people. Marks, this has been going on with him this way since last December and it really starting to wear on me! I am not a scientist and may not be able to explain why my cages are working well but the fact remains that they provide a good environment that my animals are thriving in and to me that's the real proof not some scientific theories.