Seriously Kitedemon???? Again you are going to flat out call me a liar???We had this discussion a while ago and it seems you still have the same closed mind you did back then!!!! Did you ever call Bob and talk to him like I suggested or are you still basing your facts of the same little failed experiment you did last year when you tried to put a RHP in a 12" tall box and say " it doesn't work!" Point in fact... you are not here to measure my set up and do tests on MY cage so you can not truly say that I am wrong. You are merely stating your opinion and calling me a liar based on opinion NOT fact!!! I will Not spend another second arguing this with you! You have shown in the past to give bad info to people AND not thoroughly read members posts fully! I suggest to any members out there to take your advice with a grain out salt and like Forest Gump.....Thats all I got to say about that!!