Willie - I've been having the same thoughts that you are having. I just got into ball pythons, but I can see where I could own enough of them to make a rack something to look into. I too, consider my ball python a pet first. I do plan on breeding down the road, but their well-being comes first. My wife is an animal lover as well, so we do our best to give the snake the most optimal conditions possible. Thus the question remains...does a ball python feel "better" in a well furnished enclosure with room to explore, or would the python feel better in the cozy surroundings of a tub? My python now is in an enclosure that I've modified to keep humidity in and really just have one viewing "window." All other sides are blocked out. So in this way it is approaching a tub like set up. At night I do like watching my python cruise around his enclosure. In a rack set up, I'd have to take him out of the tub to watch him. If I did get a rack I think I would do the cypress mulch or aspen for substrate, I'd have 2 hides, and a water bowl. I'd get the V70 size tubs so that the snakes have enough room to stretch out if they want to. But ultimately all I really want to know is, what do the ball pythons like best? If someone could convince me they really do feel better in tubs then that is what I'd want for them. If someone could tell me that they enjoy exploring their enclosure with fake plants and other decor, then I'd be all for that. So I guess what I am saying is, I am on the fence but certainly looking for the input of experienced keepers. I know many of the folks here have made the switch from enclosures to racks. I am learning and like Willie, want what is best for the snakes, not so much for me.