Freaking out!! Fire to Normal makes white snake?!!

[elbee]

Hmm, well that sure is interesting. Mom doesn't look fire-ish.

[kitedemon]

leucistics are naturally occuring normal to normal just really rare much like albinos. It is the simple explanation.

http://astronomologer.com/wp-content...hite-raven.jpg

[Pythonfriend]

it will be much clearer with pics when they are all out, and with pics after 1st shed. Eye color and the specific tone of white could help to solve this puzzle. I wouldnt be surprised if the eyes turn out to be blue. Black eyes would be even more interesting.

maybe its not a fire but something else? could it be something else?

in the blue eye leucistic-complex this happens, i mean is done, all the time. something like lesser x het russo could look quite similar to this. or if its really a fire, maybe this is a different gene that behaves similar to some of the blue eye lucy stuff, just in the gene complex with fire and sulfur.

about the strange "null phenomenon", i need a mechanism how its supposed to happen. for blue eye lucys, meaning the above mentioned example of super phantoms or super mojaves popping up seemingly out of nowhere, ill go with genes like het russo as an explanation. they seemingly do just that.

UV light to check for pattern in the fluorescence is also something to consider later on.


EDIT: In response to kitedemon: Yes, i mean, basically we have genes like that in BPs. Known ones, het russo and a few others. practically recessive stuff that makes lucys. the question will be what exactly it is compatible with.

[BCBallPythons]

Look up "null phenomenon". I'm not quite sure how it works, but I think you will only get one gender of snakes in that clutch. It has happened a few times. Phantom x normal and producing super phantoms. Mojo x bumblebee producing super mojos. Kinda weird. I haven't heard of what happens when you breed the null phenom, but it's still cool

Here ya go: http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...henomenon.html

Also a possibility


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[Skilla6000]

What in the wworld of ball pythons lol. Can't wait to see the out of the eggs this is interesting.

[Redemption Reptiles]

The mom had kicked this egg out. It is from an 11 egg clutch. Seems to be if it were genetic there would be more than one in that many eggs!

[SquamishSerpents]

Looking at the pic on my phone so it's small, but to me that simply looks like a clear belly and the bottom of a snakes head?

As though the snake is upside down

[asplundii]

Look up "null phenomenon". I'm not quite sure how it works, but I think you will only get one gender of snakes in that clutch.

Just as a small clarification, "null" phenomenon does not bias the clutch to one gender or another. It is acts of parthenogenesis that are typically recognized by one gender morph clutches.

about the strange "null phenomenon", i need a mechanism how its supposed to happen.

In the link Hooblah posted there is a post by me that has a second link which explains the "null" phenomenon. The "mechanism" is really very simple; a second copy of the gene (in this case the WT copy) is simply missing, by way of any of a number of means.

for blue eye lucys, meaning the above mentioned example of super phantoms or super mojaves popping up seemingly out of nowhere, ill go with genes like het russo as an explanation. they seemingly do just that.

Except that Russos are quite distinct and not likely to be mistaken for WT animals. And Russo x Phantom looks nothing like a SuperPhantom.

That and the same phenomenon has also been seen with SuperCinny/SuperBlack and it is not like there are cryptic alleles of those out there...

[BHReptiles]

Looking at the pic on my phone so it's small, but to me that simply looks like a clear belly and the bottom of a snakes head?

As though the snake is upside down

Thats what I thought too. Looks like the baby is upside down on my phone.

[Redemption Reptiles]

Thats what I thought too. Looks like the baby is upside down on my phone.

It is in that pic. Here's a different one.