My pets rats are my pets and feeders are feeders. I don't have a problem feeding off live rats while keeping three as pets. I'm not cruel to them. They get clean food and water and affection if they want it before they're put into a tub. I treat them the same I do the pets, except at the end of the day the feeder ends up in a snake and the pet goes back to her 'sisters'. Both have a role to play.