Leonardo is sick, swelling/bleeding...

[carlson]

Kind of reminds me of an infection my buddy had one of his females get. Swelled up her jaw area where your guys looks to be swelling at. Can't member what type it was but common from what he said. Vet gave him antiboitics to inject into her for like two weeks can't member the schdule but she turned around fast an is good now.

[Andybill]

Best wishes for that poor little stud!

[Coleslaw007]

Oh jeeze, I hope recovers quickly and it's nothing too serious.

Eh this reminds me... I need to make a thread :/

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[Neotetro]

I'm guessing he lost a tooth or a tooth got impacted or something. Should be fine with some treatment but I'm no expert

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

I'm really surprised they didn't treat with clindamycin. It targets mouth issues and works faster/better than baytril. It seems to me that little guy needs a very good mouth inspection and different meds. It looks like its one of three things to me without a culture being done.. Mouth rot, a severe RI, or an I jury/irritation caused by either a broken/abscessed tooth, or bedding. If its a tooth issue it would require treatment by something that targets mouth infections. Possibly on and off until the damaged tooth comes out, or swelling is down enough to pinpoint it for removal.

You really need to see a better herp specialist and get a mouth culture done to find out what type of bacteria is in there, and one who will take the time to explore these other obvious possibilities.

[RoseyReps]

I'm really surprised they didn't treat with clindamycin. It targets mouth issues and works faster/better than baytril. It seems to me that little guy needs a very good mouth inspection and different meds. It looks like its one of three things to me without a culture being done.. Mouth rot, a severe RI, or an I jury/irritation caused by either a broken/abscessed tooth, or bedding. If its a tooth issue it would require treatment by something that targets mouth infections. Possibly on and off until the damaged tooth comes out, or swelling is down enough to pinpoint it for removal.

You really need to see a better herp specialist and get a mouth culture done to find out what type of bacteria is in there, and one who will take the time to explore these other obvious possibilities.

We have already made an appointment with one about an hour away (as noted in the post).
The thing with the following possibilities is this
RI - no popping/wheezing/coughing/drooling
Mouth rot - no puss/cheese and normal tongue flicking/no "stuck tongue"
He is on unprinted newspaper, so no bedding. Rats are clean f/t with no stuck bedding on them.

I am leaning towards tooth/abscess.

This morning when giving him his baytril, his head wasn't swollen and the color actually looked closer to normal than anytime in the past week.

In the original vets defense, she put him on oral baytril yes, but wanted to do cultures after the course of baytril if he was still showing symptoms. I was unhappy with the meds given, so I'm taking him to another vet.

[Coleslaw007]

Your thread reminded me very much of what happened with my snake, I very much doubt it is the same though, not trying to scare you.


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=195427

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[BHReptiles]

Man...I hope little Leo gets better soon!

[kitedemon]

At the recient conferance in Florida there was a lot of debate about the use of oral antibiotics and snakes. There is good evidance that a combination of injections and then followed by oral is the most effective. I don't think the studies are complete at this point, but we keepers need to get up to speed. My understanding is a round of injections followed by extended oral is best based on the current knowelege.

[FireStorm]

Wouldn't the culture be more useful if it was done before antibiotics were started? I was under the impression that this was the case, at least with humans.

I hope the poor guy is feeling better soon...keep us posted.