Possible NEW dark morph!

[gsarchie]

I'm interested in the post shed photos. From what I can see through the blue it is a good looking snake.

[majorleaguereptiles]

Looks similar to the voodoo ball. I've seen a few look like this come in from Africa over the years and nothing has come of them yet genetically.

However, I would still breed this one, as it looks a little different than the others I've seen. Typically the super melanistic balls that haven't proven have smaller heads, sometimes buggy eyes, small deformities, etc. This looks promising from what I see. Can you show us a belly pic?

Good luck regardless! I'd love to see something like that prove out!

[Aes_Sidhe]

Sable in Deep Shed Or Dark Granite in Deep Shed... My bey is on Sable...

[Wobbilly5]

He hasn't bred yet. He eats well though and will be ready next season. He is for sale and I'm trying to decide if he's worth the investment.....I'm just not 100% sold yet.

[Wobbilly5]

Here are a few more pictures sent to me by the breeder while the snake is NOT IN SHED. I'll get better quality/brighter pictures next week.









I'd love to hear everyone's opinions! Thanks in advance!

[SnowShredder]

He hasn't bred yet. He eats well though and will be ready next season. He is for sale and I'm trying to decide if he's worth the investment.....I'm just not 100% sold yet.

How much are they selling him for?

[Wobbilly5]

How much are they selling him for?

He is asking $5000. I just can't justify that for an unproven trait.

[I-KandyReptiles]

He is asking $5000. I just can't justify that for an unproven trait.

Yeah, I wouldn't pay that

[Pythonfriend]

5000 seems too much, thats for people that want to try to prove out a new morph.


For that money, you can get proven out darkening genes, even the hottest ones like mahogany or GHI. And when it comes to cinnamon / black pastel / het red axanthic, you have a large variety of super-forms and 2-gene combos to choose from and likely still have most of the money left even if you pick something really REALLY nice.

its just too high a price i think. its a nice snake, but still, the alternatives of what you can get for 5000 dollars are just crushing it.

[majorleaguereptiles]

Many folks have spend MUCH more on unproven traits over the years. In 2011, I paid $8000 for one unproven snake and compared to some older mutations that's cheap these days. And I still spend on unproven traits. Risk vs reward sometimes. Typically the higher the risk the higher the potential reward. Africa has played this game for a while now, so you can thank all the breeders who have spent money on unproven specials to have so much neat stuff to work with these days.

That being said, I don't see this as a $5000 pickup based on my understanding of BPs looking identical to this and not proving. Also, if it proves genetic, I'm not even sure it would necessarily draw that kind of money. It doesn't look dynamic enough... of course, that could all change with combos if it were genetic. However, its not $5000 in my eyes.

I like to price unproven stuff based on likelihood to be genetic, appearance, and originality on a scale/pricing system that I've created to help me price import prospects. I would price him at $1500-$2000 or so. Originality is pretty high on my list because love working with original looking animals. Very hard to buy them away from me, so that typically is how pricing can get difficult for me. Of course this would be knowing he was in fact an import and not CB.