odd spider

[RoseyReps]

Guys...please don't sit there and bash on one member for claiming he knows more than you, or has more experience and in the ssame thread turn around and do the exact same thing to someone else. It is not only petty, it makes us all look bad.

Is it so hard to have an intelligent or at least somewhat intelligent debate about something without the pompous remarks?

This is a friendly forum, it is why I came here originally, and why many people who are new come here. They aren't looking to get bashed or patronized for their ideas or thoughts. If you want to tell them why you don't agree with them, or why they may be mistaken, fine. Just do it without the egos.

There is no one member here who knows everything, and to belittle those for having a different idea or opinion is close minded.

I still don't believe it is a spider, but I have learned some things during this discussion and will always be happy to learn more.

Grow up, take a breath, have fun ...and try not to be jerks to one another. Yay!

[SquamishSerpents]

gotta love narrow minded people..... FYI as was previously stated the mother was never actually seen... was told she was a reduced pattern normal.... Name a few reduced pattern morphs that could be mistaken for a normal by looking at them and then pair them with the spider gene and see what you come up with......

I must have missed that part, I didn't know that the mother was never seen.

Any possibility she was an enchi? Enchi's have green eyes and that's really what the side pattern reminds me of. I have also seen them with the "spiderish" pattern.

In fact:







Bad lighting and a cell phone pic which really isn't helping the case right now, but you can sort of get the idea of the side specks I'm talking about.

As you can see, mine is an UGLY enchi, he was given to us by a breeder friend because he needed to make room. Only recently did he start coloring up a bit. So perhaps your snake is an ugly enchi and hasn't quite started getting his adult color. He looks pretty little still in the photos. Not baby sized, but he'll definitely grow a bit more. And really, only in the last shed did mine start getting better colors.

[zeion97]

I must have missed that part, I didn't know that the mother was never seen.

Any possibility she was an enchi? Enchi's have green eyes and that's really what the side pattern reminds me of. I have also seen them with the "spiderish" pattern.

In fact:







Bad lighting and a cell phone pic which really isn't helping the case right now, but you can sort of get the idea of the side specks I'm talking about.

As you can see, mine is an UGLY enchi, he was given to us by a breeder friend because he needed to make room. Only recently did he start coloring up a bit. So perhaps your snake is an ugly enchi and hasn't quite started getting his adult color. He looks pretty little still in the photos. Not baby sized, but he'll definitely grow a bit more. And really, only in the last shed did mine start getting better colors.

This is stuff that makes me get my hopes up.

I have a normal, with green eyes, odd pattern, Who came from a pastel to a normal breeding. He has white sides, nothing like my spider, but somewhat resembles a yellow belly at the same time.

It's one of those thing you WANT to be genetic and be passed, even if it's just for a cool look! in the end we might argue a lot, but we just want to prove something out ourselves.

[SquamishSerpents]

I find it fun to speculate on what a snake could be, even if they are not my own.

A lot of people get really worked up about it, though. I'm not sure why. Like it has been stated about a hundred times before in this thread, NOBODY will truly know what the snake is until it is proven out. But for me, it's still fun to have a discussion and bounce ideas off each other!

To the OP, is there any chance at all you would be able to get your hands on some photos of the momma snake?

[DooLittle]

Any possibility she was an enchi? Enchi's have green eyes and that's really what the side pattern reminds me of. I have also seen them with the "spiderish" pattern.

Not sure what's going on here, I haven't read the whole thread. But this is my snake, and he is an enchi, no spider.

[rabernet]

Can't pastels have green eyes too? So, it's now a crap bee, from a normal x spider.

I'm crying right now, just dying laughing.

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Normals can have green eyes as well.

I've not commented before now - but there's nothing about that animal that suggests spider to me personally. I hope for the OP's sake I'm wrong.

[JLC]

There is no one member here who knows everything, and to belittle those for having a different idea or opinion is close minded.

I still don't believe it is a spider, but I have learned some things during this discussion and will always be happy to learn more.

Grow up, take a breath, have fun ...and try not to be jerks to one another. Yay!

BEST quote in this entire mess of a thread.

Sheesh people...get over the fact that someone else might have a different opinion than you do. No one's life is at stake over whether or not that animal carries the spider gene, but for some reason, this thread gets turned into something ugly. It's ridiculous.

You have an opinion....state it...state WHY you feel that way....and be happy that you have a place to freely do so. If you enjoy your freedom to express your opinion, then you should also be glad that others can do the same as well, even IF they happen to disagree with you. There's absolutely NO reason to get nasty and snarky about it.

[Mike41793]

I'm actually gunna go against the grain and agree with MLR. My instinct reaction to those first pics was just a crappy spider or maybe a spider combo.
More pics were provided and I could see it a little bit more. I'm not saying that it is or isn't a spider or normal, i'm just throwing my 2 cents in.

Can we see pics of the sire and dam, please?

[snakesRkewl]

Questions

1. How does a normal get spider traits unless that normal carry's the spider gene?
2. Ever seen a normal with a mustache, I haven't?

It's a confused little snakie

[Murse]

I had one other thought in my head besides spider. What about Jungle Woma/ Woma?