What do you guys think of this? I need opinions ASAP!

[Trackstrong83]

Alright i have a friend who breeds, and he has proposed an idea to me. He is out of breeding females this year (All have either ovulated or laid) but he still has a few males he wants to breed because they are ready to go. Here is the deal he proposed to me:

I have a normal female (around 1400g) and he wants to borrow her and breed her to one of his males. He will house her in one of his racks and provide food since he breeds his own rats. I get to pick the male myself that I want to breed to her since the female is mine, and he has some niceeee males. Only under the condition that he gets first pick from the clutch, and we choose alternating eggs, depending on how many are laid (Ex: if there are 6 eggs, he gets first pick, i get second, he gets third, I get fourth, he gets fifth, i get sixth). He has given me the option that if the snakes that hatch I don't want, he will sell them for me and give me 100% of the profit. So we are pretty much splitting the clutch since it is HIS male and MY female. He gets first pick cause after all, he's the one bringing the genetics into this. Has anyone else done something like this? Just curious.

The males he has that are ready to breed are a champagne, a butter bee (butter x spider), a pastel OG, a pastel piebald, and a pewter.
If you could choose to breed one of these males to a female normal which would you choose and why?

[Zinger333]

Sounds like a good deal. However, if he is a breeder he should know that a 1400gram female should not be breed. Although it is possible for a viable clutch to be produced, it isn't very healthy for your female. I would suggest holding off till next year, for the health of your female.

Just my two cents.

[BPro927]

I heard 1500 to 1600 grams is viable for breeding a female, but heard of 1200 grammars.

Honestly it sounds like a decent deal. But what if there is an odd number of eggs?

[Trackstrong83]

Sounds like a good deal. However, if he is a breeder he should know that a 1400gram female should not be breed. Although it is possible for a viable clutch to be produced, it isn't very healthy for your female. I would suggest holding off till next year, for the health of your female.

Just my two cents.

Thank you, the reason he wanted to do this so suddenly is that my female just went off feed. She was an eating MACHINE and then all of a sudden, nope not eating. She hasn't eaten for about 3 weeks now, and I've been offering every week. So he think she is looking for a male to breed with and "ready to go"

[Trackstrong83]

I heard 1500 to 1600 grams is viable for breeding a female, but heard of 1200 grammars.

Honestly it sounds like a decent deal. But what if there is an odd number of eggs?

Not too worried if there is an odd number, I only have room for one more snake, and it has to be a female. So if it's not an awesome female in the clutch, I'll probably just sell all of the ones that are mine.

[Kodieh]

People have told me that females can paired as early as 1000g and if they lay they lay, if not then try again next year. I completely disagree with it, but they claim to have gotten eggs from as little as 1000g.

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[Trackstrong83]

People have told me that females can paired as early as 1000g and if they lay they lay, if not then try again next year. I completely disagree with it, but they claim to have gotten eggs from as little as 1000g.

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Yeah no way I would breed one that low. I am thinking about taking up on this deal because if she doesn't take, she doesn't take and we can try next year. So really neither one of us is losing anything from this.

[Evenstar]

I won't comment on the gram weight of the female since others have expressed their opinions on this. But if I were to do this myself, I'd choose the butter bee male hands down.

First, I love anything with butter/lesser in it. But secondly, you'd be working with both a dominant and a co-dominant gene. The clutch could yield butters, spiders, and butter bees. In fact, you'd only have a 25% chance of producing normals while you'd have a 75% chance of producing morphs. But that's just my opinion.

[Trackstrong83]

I won't comment on the gram weight of the female since others have expressed their opinions on this. But if I were to do this myself, I'd choose the butter bee male hands down.

First, I love anything with butter/lesser in it. But secondly, you'd be working with both a dominant and a co-dominant gene. The clutch could yield butters, spiders, and butter bees. In fact, you'd only have a 25% chance of producing normals while you'd have a 75% chance of producing morphs. But that's just my opinion.

See I am so torn between the butter bee and the champagne. Even if I only get 1 champagne, if it's a female I'd keep it, a male I'd sell it.

[hig]

How long have you known this person? Do you know that his collection is 100% mite and disease free? Have you physically viewed his collection, snake room and husbandry skills? You do not want to give him your girl and have her returned sick or infested with mites. It could lead to further issues with your own collection.

You also want to be sure that you get your girl back when agreed and also that you can trust him with the eggs and/or sales. We have all heard about the horror stories about how someone thought the other person was their friend and it ends up a dangerous situation with the police involved.

If he is someone you 100% know and trust then I would definitely go for it!

If you even for a second doubt the trust is there then I would not risk it because look at what the end result is you are looking for: you want a female morph. For $200-$300 you could buy the exact one you want without the stress of fighting to get your snake back, dealing with a sick animal or putting your girl through an unnecessary breeding.

I would choose the butter bee or the pewter or lastly champagne and hopefully you will still get to pick a visual morph female!! I would not pick the recessives unless they fit with your specific plans as you will only get hets.