Het Platty?

[jhotch]

I know this has been discussed a few times in other posts and i have done my research and cant find the answer i am looking for. I am trying to figure out the "platty" gene thinking about future breeding projects. I have been up and down rdr birthing record page and cant find any breedings that have produced plattys from a het platty morph. Some of the pairings have het platty morphs and some don't? I cant wrap my head around it. How can normals be het platty but single gene morphs cant? Has anybody produced platty daddys from a co-dom or dom morph het for platty X lesser? or is it only normals het platty?

[jhotch]

Anybody?

[Pythonfriend]

really few morphs with the "het daddy"-gene appear to exist on http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs

seems noone really figured it out so far, or if, then without good documentation. platty daddy is just lesser platinum + this weird het daddy gene. and lesser platinum is now just called lesser, and since then we found out that lesser = butter, more or less. Whats left as a gene seperate from lesser is "het daddy".

and that doesnt seem to be well-explored at all, that daddy gene.

[jhotch]

really few morphs with the "het daddy"-gene appear to exist on http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs

seems noone really figured it out so far, or if, then without good documentation. platty daddy is just lesser platinum + this weird het daddy gene. and lesser platinum is now just called lesser, and since then we found out that lesser = butter, more or less. Whats left as a gene seperate from lesser is "het daddy".

and that doesnt seem to be well-explored at all, that daddy gene.

Thanks, yea I understand that it's a het gene separate from a lesser, it's just some pairings on his records page for example, like platty x pastel show pastels het platty and then others do not? Just confusing😵

[Luke Martin]

If you breed a Platinum x Normal, statistically half the babies will be Lesser and the other half "normals". Everything that is normal looking from a Platinum parent is 100% het Platinum. Breed a het Platinum to any Lesser or Lesser combo and you have the potential of producing Platinums. The het Platty will ONLY react to the Lesser gene (just like Special and Mojave, and YB with Specter, Spark etc). So if you breed a het Platinum to something like a Queenbee (a breeding I'm actually doing this year) you can make Bumblebee Platinums, Spider Platinums, Pastel Platinums, Platinums, Lesser, Pastel Lessers, Queenbees, Spiders 50% het Platinum, Pastel 50% het Platinum and Bumblebees 50% het Platinum.

[jhotch]

If you breed a Platinum x Normal, statistically half the babies will be Lesser and the other half "normals". Everything that is normal looking from a Platinum parent is 100% het Platinum. Breed a het Platinum to any Lesser or Lesser combo and you have the potential of producing Platinums. The het Platty will ONLY react to the Lesser gene (just like Special and Mojave, and YB with Specter, Spark etc). So if you breed a het Platinum to something like a Queenbee (a breeding I'm actually doing this year) you can make Bumblebee Platinums, Spider Platinums, Pastel Platinums, Platinums, Lesser, Pastel Lessers, Queenbees, Spiders 50% het Platinum, Pastel 50% het Platinum and Bumblebees 50% het Platinum.

Thank you that's what I was wondering

[Pythonfriend]

If you breed a Platinum x Normal, statistically half the babies will be Lesser and the other half "normals". Everything that is normal looking from a Platinum parent is 100% het Platinum. Breed a het Platinum to any Lesser or Lesser combo and you have the potential of producing Platinums. The het Platty will ONLY react to the Lesser gene (just like Special and Mojave, and YB with Specter, Spark etc). So if you breed a het Platinum to something like a Queenbee (a breeding I'm actually doing this year) you can make Bumblebee Platinums, Spider Platinums, Pastel Platinums, Platinums, Lesser, Pastel Lessers, Queenbees, Spiders 50% het Platinum, Pastel 50% het Platinum and Bumblebees 50% het Platinum.

well, the morph list at WOBP likes to hide stuff away when searching the morph list.... use the wizard http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ and calculate special x lesser mystic, and you get "lesser crystal" and "mystic crystal".

which is what you would expect. if special interacts with mojave, of course it should interact with everything else in the BEL complex, like: lesser/butter, mystic/phantom, mocha, het russo.

so that "het daddy" gene should also do something with mojave, butter, mocha, mystic/phantom, and so on. Its just that noone has done it yet. It just strikes me as unlikely that it should interact only with lesser, especially if it reproduces like you describe it, just like a 2-gene animal with both genes in a gene complex.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php its also listed as part of the complex here.

Blue Eyed Leucistic Complex:
Butter
Daddy Gene
Lesser Platinum
Mocha
Mojave
Mystic
Phantom
Russo Het Leucistic
Special

Aaaand i think platinum is dead, because it got too confusing as people used "lesser platinum" to merely describe "lesser (or butter)". its now called "het daddy" or "daddy gene", and platty daddy = lesser het daddy. WOBP doesnt list lesser platinum anymore, only as an alternative name for lesser. and Owalreptiles says "lesser platinum" but means just the regular 1-gene lesser.


it seems to be an interesting gene, there may be opportunities to do some easy 2-gene world firsts with it, in the BEL gene complex. Unless it turns out to be identical to some other already known gene, maybe its identical to het russo or to special.


if i would have one of these het daddys, i would breed it to stuff like karma, mystic potion, super mojave, lesser mojave, just anything from the BEL complex, to look what these combos do. best case would be truly new stuff, worst case you prove it out to be identical to special or het russo. Super het daddy is also somehow absent or i just didnt find it right now, should be a quite white snake.

[HypoLyf]

Here's a thread about some het daddy stuff that has been produced, including the mojave daddy and the Phantom 44.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....addy-gene.html

[Luke Martin]

well, the morph list at WOBP likes to hide stuff away when searching the morph list.... use the wizard http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ and calculate special x lesser mystic, and you get "lesser crystal" and "mystic crystal".

which is what you would expect. if special interacts with mojave, of course it should interact with everything else in the BEL complex, like: lesser/butter, mystic/phantom, mocha, het russo.

so that "het daddy" gene should also do something with mojave, butter, mocha, mystic/phantom, and so on. Its just that noone has done it yet. It just strikes me as unlikely that it should interact only with lesser, especially if it reproduces like you describe it, just like a 2-gene animal with both genes in a gene complex.

You're right, it does react to all other BEL complex animals, I was just using Lesser in that scenario.

[jhotch]

Here's a thread about some het daddy stuff that has been produced, including the mojave daddy and the Phantom 44.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....addy-gene.html

Thanks for that, all those were produced by normals het daddy! That was one of my questions also I can't find any platty produced from anything besides het daddy normals! If it acts like a recessive why don't we see more things produced from like a pastel het daddy for example? Everything seems to be from het daddy normals bred to something else