Thanks. Yeah I'll try to make one big order from reptile basics get as much as I can in one shot to save the shipping. Do you just use papertowel for the substrate then? It seems anything more than that and the uth can't even get the surface temps up. I have about 1/2" of aspen right now and when I had my uth regulated with a thermostat I couldn't even get the temps to 80. If I run it unregulated the temps get to 90 but the temp at the glass is like 150, so I currently don't use it at all just two ches. One of which just broke. Ok sorry for rambling. Really appreciate everyone's help on here. I just want to get the husbandry down pat without all the high maintenance so I can actually enjoy my bp lol