How to make black pewter clown?

[Pythonfriend]

do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

sometimes i use morph calculators, but mainly to confirm what i calculate on my own.

clown to black pewter het clown would give 12,5% of the desired black pewter clown. also 12,5% for pastel clown and 12,5% for black pastel clown. thats quite good, also because the stuff that you produce and that doesnt look like a clown will be 100% het clown.

and yes it depends a lot on what animals you can find. if you get a black pastel het clown and a super pastel clown, for example, you can do it in one generation because the odds go up to 25% for black pewter clown. then it can really be a 2-year thing.

[tomjones456]

sometimes i use morph calculators, but mainly to confirm what i calculate on my own.

clown to black pewter het clown would give 12,5% of the desired black pewter clown. also 12,5% for pastel clown and 12,5% for black pastel clown. thats quite good, also because the stuff that you produce and that doesnt look like a clown will be 100% het clown.

and yes it depends a lot on what animals you can find. if you get a black pastel het clown and a super pastel clown, for example, you can do it in one generation because the odds go up to 25% for black pewter clown. then it can really be a 2-year thing.

how would i go about producing a axanthic clown, or pinstripe clown? my budget is 1500 right now

[Pythonfriend]

how would i go about producing a axanthic clown, or pinstripe clown? my budget is 1500 right now

axanthic clown is a double recessive, this nice article from NERD describes how to breed double recessives and how to figure out the odds: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html in the article the example is caramel ghost, but its really the same.


pinstripe clown is easy, its just like making a pastel clown or black pastel clown, which is already covered in the thread. much easier than making black pewter clown.

[yardy]

do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

Clown*BP would be a good start. If you were lucky enough to get a pewter het out of it (1 in 16 chance of pewter het or 1 in 32 for a female, I think, but I am sure that some one will correct) then you could possible do it in the 2nd generation (again if lucky) and that would be 1 in 32 for a pewter clown. On the other hand with those odds it could take years if unlucky due to maybe just getting 4-6 eggs per year. You would get some really nice snakes along the way though and producing either a BP or pastel clown (preferably both of different sexes) in the 2nd generation would speed up the process or at least make it more certain.

Stats isn't my strongest point, which is maybe a good idea due to the number of recessive projects that I am getting into but, hey, a bit of optimism goes a long way and recessives really are so much more fun )

[tomjones456]

axanthic clown is a double recessive, this nice article from NERD describes how to breed double recessives and how to figure out the odds: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html in the article the example is caramel ghost, but its really the same.


pinstripe clown is easy, its just like making a pastel clown or black pastel clown, which is already covered in the thread. much easier than making black pewter clown.

im interested in a pinstripe clown project now lol. is axanthic clown harder to make than a black pewter clown?
and also ive searched everywhere and cant seem to find wat a black pastel clown looks like

[yardy]

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

[tomjones456]

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

so clown x axanthic = het clown , then breed them back together? or is there more haha

[tomjones456]

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

only 1/16 odds! thats way too slim for my likings lol. how would i increase my odds for axanthic clown?

[lX V1P3R Xl]

I would take some time to learn how recessive genes work before spending any money on a recessive project.

Where can you read up on all the specifics? Are there books or websites that explain everything in detail? I can never seem to find anything. Just people that already know what they're talking about discussing various things.

[Pythonfriend]

i learned the basics at school, basic genetics with recessive and dominant genes is essential for understanding evolutionary biology. we had to do these punnett squares in exams.

Its a bit unfortunate when a nation that i dont want to name right now with over 300 million people fights and cuts back on teaching evolution, of course you have to leave out all genetics if you want students and pupils to reject evolutionary theory.


search youtube for "reptile genetics", or search google for "genetics introduction" or "punnett square", or search Wikipedia, or go to a library or bookstore and ask for textbooks about genetics, or search the sticky threads on this forum.