Western diamondback pics.

[jason_ladouceur]

As Crotalids pointed out already the op was trying to look "macho!" That's the only reason, you don't need to repeat this over and over. I've never handled hots, obviously you have a lot of experience with it. Maybe you can share your hot handling experience with the op instead of simply jumping on the anti pinning bandwagon which was never the intent of this thread in the first place.

I think that posts 16,19 and 24 clearly show what the response to offering unsolicited advice as to the proper way to do things would be. As far as band wagon jumping goes. This is not an opinion I just acquired today, and I would say 15 years of keeping hots and still haveing all 10 fingers is a testimate to doing things the safest way possible.

[Skiploder]

I think that posts 16,19 and 24 clearly show what the response to offering unsolicited advice as to the proper way to do things would be. As far as band wagon jumping goes. This is not an opinion I just acquired today, and I would say 15 years of keeping hots and still haveing all 10 fingers is a testimate to doing things the safest way possible.

Let's clear this up:

This is not a bandwagon thing.

While handling a snake causes some stress in general, pinning is extremely stressful for the animal. It is also potentially harmful to the snake and dangerous for the handler.

There is no need to pin a venomous snake in the field. If you need to get a closer look or to gather data, then the best method is to use tubes to restrain them (and protect you).

Period.

[Seanjackmc]

I think that posts 16,19 and 24 clearly show what the response to offering unsolicited advice as to the proper way to do things would be. As far as band wagon jumping goes. This is not an opinion I just acquired today, and I would say 15 years of keeping hots and still haveing all 10 fingers is a testimate to doing things the safest way possible.

Do you not understand when a poster shares pictures of an event that happened a few years ago in which he has pinned a snake and a fellow forum member comes on here and says "the only reason to pin a snake is to look macho" where the abrasive feelings come from? That is a legitimate question I believe. The problem I see on many forums is people want to point out what they perceive as a wrong doing then add a little jab at the end. The macho comment was pointless and in no way could be deemed as helpful advice. Im all for advice on here, heck I've posted a bunch of questions and got great help in response. I just wish some people were more tactful in the way they present advice ie: no need add comments such as "trying to be macho" or "next time you handle a snake you might want to know the scientific name."
but that's me and I don't expect everyone to see it my way but I will point out when I think someone uses poor taste in a response.

[Crotalids]

Do you not understand when a poster shares pictures of an event that happened a few years ago in which he has pinned a snake and a fellow forum member comes on here and says "the only reason to pin a snake is to look macho" where the abrasive feelings come from? That is a legitimate question I believe. The problem I see on many forums is people want to point out what they perceive as a wrong doing then add a little jab at the end. The macho comment was pointless and in no way could be deemed as helpful advice. Im all for advice on here, heck I've posted a bunch of questions and got great help in response. I just wish some people were more tactful in the way they present advice ie: no need add comments such as "trying to be macho" or "next time you handle a snake you might want to know the scientific name."
but that's me and I don't expect everyone to see it my way but I will point out when I think someone uses poor taste in a response.

My first reply to this thread was just one of simple advice:

"Good job.

But in future, don't bother pinning a venomous snakes for no reason.

1. You aren't experienced in pinning venomous snakes, you are presenting yourself with an opportunity to get tagged.

2. It's needless stress on the animal. Just get a stick, and move it. End of story. "

To which the OP replied in a defensive manner, saying he didn't ask for my advice etc. At the end of the day, i am the one with experience with venomous snakes, not him. For HIS safety i merely pointed out that he should not be pinning a venomous snake, if he does not have the necessary experience. Like Jason has previously stated, venomous keepers only pin their snakes as an absolute last resort. I don't understand why you think we are saying this to seem 'more knowledgeable', if the OP won't take heed of the advice, fine, but hopefully someone else reading this thread might do so in the future.

If you think Jason's comment about knowing the species was off handed, it isn't. You obviously do not understand the implications of a venomous snake bite. Just because they use the same antivenom for rattlesnake bites, does NOT mean it's a good idea to know nothing about the species you are trying to relocate etc. It is very important, rattlesnakes venom is very different to one another (From mild local effects, to life threatening systemic symptoms), and can be very different even amongst the same species dependent on the locale. e.g Crotalus scutulatus (Mojave rattlesnake)

[jason_ladouceur]

There is no need to apologize. You did a great thing. I simply wanted to point out that the animal you were handling was not the animal you thought it was and provide you and any people reading this post acurate information.

You think don't research and acquiring knowledge is a waste of time? Odd, what exactly about that do you find not worth time or effort?
I'm sorry but pointing out a miss labeled animal,especially a venomous one is not nit picking IMO, it's simply sharing of information. And as far as I understand it is kind of the point of this forum board. And you asked who cares about the right Latin name for the animal in question, I do, most serious Herp enthusiasts do; researchers, scientist; oh and I'd bet the attending physician in the event of a bite would be very interested in knowing the correct name of the animal that caused the bite. Although the natural habitat's of atrox and viridis don't overlap, the antivenom used is the same, and the bite treatment protocol would be basically the same. It would probably be best if they didn't have to waste anytime trying to figure how you got bit by an animal that doesn't live anywhere close to where you were bit.

Good job.

But in future, don't bother pinning a venomous snakes for no reason.

1. You aren't experienced in pinning venomous snakes, you are presenting yourself with an opportunity to get tagged.

2. It's needless stress on the animal. Just get a stick, and move it. End of story.



That's not viridis Jason, that's Crotalus oreganus - Northern pacific rattlesnake.

Moving it on a stick would have irritated it...? Far less than pinning, otherwise venomous keepers would pin our snakes every day.

I'm just pointing out to you, that pinning a snake serves you no purpose. Unless you're trying to look macho.

Do you always act like a child?

It happens even to the best, like George Van Horn: http://youtu.be/_Gmlc1-d3QQ
Who may I add, has pinned 1000's of venomous snakes.

I'm not giving the OP advice, for me to sound as if I'm knowledgeable. I'm giving him advice, so that next time he doesn't put himself in a dangerous situation, as he's already admitted he is not experienced with venomous snakes.

My first reply to this thread was just one of simple advice:

"Good job.

But in future, don't bother pinning a venomous snakes for no reason.

1. You aren't experienced in pinning venomous snakes, you are presenting yourself with an opportunity to get tagged.

2. It's needless stress on the animal. Just get a stick, and move it. End of story. "

To which the OP replied in a defensive manner, saying he didn't ask for my advice etc. At the end of the day, i am the one with experience with venomous snakes, not him. For HIS safety i merely pointed out that he should not be pinning a venomous snake, if he does not have the necessary experience. Like Jason has previously stated, venomous keepers only pin their snakes as an absolute last resort. I don't understand why you think we are saying this to seem 'more knowledgeable', if the OP won't take heed of the advice, fine, but hopefully someone else reading this thread might do so in the future.

If you think Jason's comment about knowing the species was off handed, it isn't. You obviously do not understand the implications of a venomous snake bite. Just because they use the same antivenom for rattlesnake bites, does NOT mean it's a good idea to know nothing about the species you are trying to relocate etc. It is very important, rattlesnakes venom is very different to one another (From mild local effects, to life threatening systemic symptoms), and can be very different even amongst the same species dependent on the locale. e.g Crotalus scutulatus (Mojave rattlesnake)

Lol kinda beat me to the punch on that one. So I'm just gonna say x2 what he said. Really the only one that has been stirring the pot and making jabs here is a member who has added next to nothing to the conversation except some bla bla bla about a useless iPhone app.

[Seanjackmc]

Woah hold up. Siri is not some useless app! She knows if its raining outside before I even get of bed in the morning!
nice work on the quoting yourself though lmao!
I promise ill leave this alone now, thanks for the chuckle as I scrolled down you post not reading any of it.
Im gonna go pin my ball python so my wife thinks I'm a macho macho man?
Enjoy the rest of Tuesday!

[jason_ladouceur]

Woah hold up. Siri is not some useless app! She knows if its raining outside before I even get of bed in the morning!
nice work on the quoting yourself though lmao!
I promise ill leave this alone now, thanks for the chuckle as I scrolled down you post not reading any of it.
Im gonna go pin my ball python so my wife thinks I'm a macho macho man?
Enjoy the rest of Tuesday!

Sounds about right, on all counts. And your welcome. At least you managed to get something out of this thread. To bad it wasn't knowledge.