Are ALL Leopards het pied?

[TheSnakeGeek]

the leopard popped up in peter kahls piebald projects. all it is is a visual het.. or if you want, call it a co-dom with the super form being piebald. same thing. basically he noticed from some of his piebalds offspring that the hets weren't normal looking. check out the leopard orange dream. the pattern looks very similar to a piebald minus the white. "visual hets" and co-doms are pretty much the same thing. ex: het red axanthics, russo (het BEL), and i'm sure you've seen people call lessers and butters "het BEL"

[Anthony Renna]

the leopard popped up in peter kahls piebald projects. all it is is a visual het.. or if you want, call it a co-dom with the super form being piebald. same thing. basically he noticed from some of his piebalds offspring that the hets weren't normal looking. check out the leopard orange dream. the pattern looks very similar to a piebald minus the white. "visual hets" and co-doms are pretty much the same thing. ex: het red axanthics, russo (het BEL), and i'm sure you've seen people call lessers and butters "het BEL"

Yeah your right I've even referred to my pastel as het super pastel before.

[Luke Martin]

Here is the pic and description to go with the pic that I saved a while back. I didn't remember it was a Pastel as well, but same situation



"Here is the father of the Leopard Super Pastel Double Het Axanthic Piebald. After 2 seasons and over 10 clutches he has produced 100% Leopards! If my theory is correct that the Leopard gene and the Piebald gene can't be separated then all Super Leopards must be Piebalds."

[Solarsoldier001]

Here is the pic and description to go with the pic that I saved a while back. I didn't remember it was a Pastel as well, but same situation



"Here is the father of the Leopard Super Pastel Double Het Axanthic Piebald. After 2 seasons and over 10 clutches he has produced 100% Leopards! If my theory is correct that the Leopard gene and the Piebald gene can't be separated then all Super Leopards must be Piebalds."

This is cool. I never knew


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[Anthony Renna]

Awesome glad to see the picture

[angllady2]

There is a breeder near me who has Leopards, and Leopard Pieds. And at least with his animals, you can pick out the Leopard Pied from a standard pied. I really like the Leopard look, and if it weren't so expensive I'd love to get in to the project.

Gale

[Bluebonnet Herp]

So, what I'm getting from this is, Pied is a super gene, with leopard being the co-dom form, correct?

[TheSnakeGeek]

So, what I'm getting from this is, Pied is a super gene, with leopard being the co-dom form, correct?

not exactly. Piebald is a recessive trait with the hets looking normal. the leopard is a special line of piebald het where the "hets" are visual. basically, a standard piebald is a recessive gene that produces normal looking hets. leopard is a "co-dom" animal who's super form is piebald.

[Anthony Renna]

There is a breeder near me who has Leopards, and Leopard Pieds. And at least with his animals, you can pick out the Leopard Pied from a standard pied. I really like the Leopard look, and if it weren't so expensive I'd love to get in to the project.

Gale

If you look around you can find them cheap, it is a pricey project but the results are well worth it. Leopard is quickly becoming the next enchi it enhances everything and its demand is picking up. Key difference is leopard does more in combos imo. Either way firefly leopard pieds and enchi leopard pieds are on my to do list

[C&H Exotic Morphs]

So, what I'm getting from this is, Pied is a super gene, with leopard being the co-dom form, correct?

Not exactly. In general Pied is still a recessive gene. But with the Leopard gene it seems to be a gene that is either connected to the Pied line it originated from or is a visual line of Het Pieds(much more likely in my opinion).
The one thing we don't really talk about with BP genetics is all the other genetic and biochemical info that is really going on with these animals. All we talk about is the visual or phenotypic results that we see. There are a ton of other things going on with the genetic enzymes and proteins in these animals.

For those wanting more info on the whole Leopard gene and the het Pied stuff listen to Greg's interview on HerpHerpHorray.
Here is the link
http://h3.herpherphooray.com/media.html