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    Exclamation Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Hey guys,

    I am new to the BP forums, so let me first say hello to everyone. I have heard lots about this forum and am happy to have joined you guys.

    I need an honest opinion here. We received this ball python yesterday in the mail. Do you think it is a spider or leopard spider morph? This is a spin off of my boyfriend's (OctagonGecko729's) thread below. Please view the pictures here first before reading the back story. They were taken yesterday while we were taking her out of the box she was shipped in as well as earlier today.

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    Re: Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Like I posted in your other thread...It's just a Spider...

    Leo Spider...

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    I'm not sure that's just a spider. It does have quite a bit of white to be a leo spider though. The head and thick pattern make me think leo but i'm not sure. I don't have any experience with leopards though.
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    Re: Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Quote Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict View Post
    Like I posted in your other thread...It's just a Spider...

    Leo Spider...
    Thank you so much for that picture. It is good to hear from someone who produces leopard spiders themselves. Do you happen to have any photos of hatchling leopard spiders to match up with this hatchling? I appreciate it as there is a lot of money riding on this particular deal.
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    Re: Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Quote Originally Posted by Webley View Post
    I'm not sure that's just a spider. It does have quite a bit of white to be a leo spider though. The head and thick pattern make me think leo but i'm not sure. I don't have any experience with leopards though.
    Yeah thats exactly our thoughts. It has really high white sides which I can only find one example of a leopard spider with them. The pattern is pretty thick and strange for a single gene spider. There is also a good bit of spotting on the dorsal area of the snake but not very much at the base which is where all the leopard spiders I can find have the most spotting.

    It also has a very busy belly pattern, more so then any spiders I can find.
    Last edited by OctagonGecko729; 02-10-2013 at 04:32 PM. Reason: it also...
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    Well as mentioned on FB, it doesn't look like it's a great feeder. My theory is that it's a regular spider, and the abnormal pattern is a result of an incubation issue. That would also help explain why it is so skinny. It was probably extremely difficult to start up. I'd get a refund ASAP if you paid leopard spider price for a spider
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    Re: Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Quote Originally Posted by h00blah View Post
    Well as mentioned on FB, it doesn't look like it's a great feeder. My theory is that it's a regular spider, and the abnormal pattern is a result of an incubation issue. That would also help explain why it is so skinny. It was probably extremely difficult to start up. I'd get a refund ASAP if you paid leopard spider price for a spider
    She took a pinky from us no problem the first day, it is extremely skinny though. This breeder said she is 5-6 weeks old and has eaten 3 hopper mice, riiiight.

    We didn't pay anything to the guy, he owed us some cash from 10months back and is now using this animal (advertised as leopard spider) as payment, finally. He does have other leopard morphs though that I know are legit. I'm sure this will lead to a full on BOI in a week or so.
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    Re: Leopard Spider or Spider Morph?

    Quote Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729 View Post
    She took a pinky from us no problem the first day, it is extremely skinny though. This breeder said she is 5-6 weeks old and has eaten 3 hopper mice, riiiight.

    We didn't pay anything to the guy, he owed us some cash from 10months back and is now using this animal (advertised as leopard spider) as payment, finally. He does have other leopard morphs though that I know are legit. I'm sure this will lead to a full on BOI in a week or so.
    My killerbe was started on hopper mice and was 65 grams or so when I brought her home. She looked more plump than the pictured snake..


    Well I hope you get everything figured out. Cheers.
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    Hmm, Could this be a http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/bald-spider/ ?

    Only picture of one on the net. The breeder said this animal might have something in it that NERD was keeping secret. This breeder really isn't ontop of stuff though so I think he doesn't realize that the bald gene was already disclosed. I just can't wrap my head around the pattern on this animal he sent us. It does have the broken up pattern and spotting like Kevin describes the Bald lightning gene doing on animals.
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