All Women Should Read This

[Raven01]

Are you seriously suggesting that a grown adult without any mental handicaps, could be unaware as to whether or not they have been assaulted?
Here is a small exercise, apply that to any other crime that by nature involves physical contact.
Would you be "unaware" that you had been sprayed with paint by some PETA clown upset that you keep snakes?
Or after being beaten and robbed be "unsure" of what happened.
Don't be all butt-hurt about being identified as sexist for your view that men should be assumed to be criminals.

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[CatandDiallo]

I'm really curious as to how old you are and what level of education you have, just because I feel like it is IMPOSSIBLE to be this ignorant when one has gone through post-secondary schooling. Especially in Canada.

[Rob]

Are you seriously suggesting that a grown adult without any mental handicaps, could be unaware as to whether or not they have been assaulted?]

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

[Raven01]

I'm really curious as to how old you are and what level of education you have.

41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

[xFenrir]

As an aside, I can totally see how some victims might be "confused" as to whether they were assaulted or not. Say you go to a gynecologist (there ARE male gynecologists out there, and even other women could sexually assault another woman); you feel uncomfortable but this is their JOB, so you think "maybe I'm just over-thinking things" or "maybe I'm just too hyper-aware".

Or say you met a hot guy/girl at the bar. You DID want to make out with them and play around a little, but you started second-guessing it and said no but they didn't listen. And you think "is it assault when I started it?" or "will OTHER people classify it as assault or will they say it was mutual consent since I was okay with it at the beginning?"

Confused doesn't necessarily mean "I don't understand what happened", it can mean "if I started out wanting it/it's technically a 'medical procedure'/whatever, can it be assault?"


The answer is YES, but a lot of people want to hear someone say "no, you're just over-thinking things" because they don't want to believe it happened to them. It's like being in a state of shock; you've heard about it happening, but never believed it could happen to YOU.

[wilomn]

At this point raving is just looking to keep the argument going.

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Ahhhhhh, so peaceful and sane.

I recommend everyone give it a try.

[Rob]

41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

And your a millwright?

[Raven01]

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

No it isn't. We lack the specifics to make that call but, you cannot claim that something which is unprovable is a crime. i.e. A doctor may think "Nice rack" while performing an exam and do nothing about it. This is unlikely in the first place, since when it is clinical it is in no way sexual, much the same as breastfeeding is totally non-sexual.
If there were acts of in appropriate touching (something concrete) or even proposals of dates etc, then you have something concrete and an abuse of position ( which leads to these being punishable offenses).

[Raven01]

And your a millwright?

Yep.
This is the very reason why actually.
The insurance as a family GP is unreal and your career can be ended for rebuffing a womans advances if she chooses to go this route.

[CatandDiallo]

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

Oh, one thing that I know it wasn't was simple medical checking. This doctor knew exactly what he was doing.

41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

Incredible how one can have so much Education yet be so ignorant, especially when various people are trying to explain to you what they mean.

Incroyable.