I've got a moral question

[wilomn]

And for what its worth - it's your generation that screwed up our environment, and it's my mission that my generation starts to fix it. So where's this respect?

Actually squirt, this is not entirely true. You go back and look at your history books and see if you can find what I'm talking about.

As far as where's the respect? I could tell you, but I think you might feel disrespected and I don't want to hurt your feelings.

[reptileexperts]

Oh I guess my education failed me with my degree in conservation biology.

Who's mad? Not I. I've read your post with Ed Clark. I have no beef with you nor anyone else here. But in the same tense you do not have my respect nor do I care to have yours.

[mr.spooky]

I have to say that this is a very wide generalization for anyone under or at a quarter of a centry old. It's not a generation of ME ME ME, if anything its a generation of impatience and NOW. While I can't deny there are plenty of people that you will find on forums who are very opinionated they probably do believe it's all about them, to say that the future is grim because of a VERY gross over generalization is unneeded.

Sure this is just my opinion and thoughts on your opinion, and that's what a forum is all about - people voicing their thoughts and opinions so that one person, the op, can come to a conclusion based on the thoughts of many. There may be right and wrong answers for a lot of things, but when it comes to opinions it's not so clear cut. So go ahead, pitty our generation... for your generation is the one I pitty. My opinion.


And for what its worth - it's your generation that screwed up our environment, and it's my mission that my generation starts to fix it. So where's this respect?

my hats off to you! seems like you have a good head on your solders, as does xFenrir. Its about language, sitting down with other people and descussing opinions. I respect your opinions as I hope you do mine. and please, dont pitty me. I have drank clean water from streams, I have seen elk fight in the wild, Iv touched baby deer hiding in brush. Generations to come will need to steralize their water, see nature as it was, only on hi def TV's, and if they want to put their hand on nature, theyll need to go to a zoo (posibaly a virtual zoo). Please dont pitty me. Im satisfied.
Not only is it my generation thats has screwed up the enviroment, but the one before mine, AND YOURS as well. Sadly, it cant be stoped.

spooky

[xFenrir]

I also don't make many ASSumptions.

You seem to have ASSumed that I want, need, or desire your respect. I mean no ill will, but I don't. Don't need it, don't care what you do with it or who you give it too. This goes not only for you.

I give respect, and I have not disrespected you as yet, as I see fit and not because I want it in return, but because I think it is deserved. Old, young, boy, girl or undecided, makes no difference to ME.

You seem to think that just because you're polite and nice and keep your language PG that you deserve respect. Maybe you do, but all of that, two quarters and some luck will get you a phone call. Nice online means diddly in real life so why should I pretend otherwise?

I have not disrespected you, if anything I've treated you as I would be treated. No BS, to the point, tell me what you mean and let me do the same. I don't see it often, but it is my way. If you wish to feel disrespected, have at it. You want to see disrespect? Go to Fauna and look up mitch behm or ed clark. I HEARTILY disrespect those two. It should be readily apparent.

Never said you did. I was responding to Mr. Spooky's remark about my generation, and how I felt about it. Don't point the ASSumed finger at me just yet, because my post wasn't directed at you. Like I had said to you before, you act how you see fit. You haven't offended me by any stretch, I just feel that when someone directs a comment at me I'm more than within my rights to respond with my opinion, just like you're totally entitled to do the same. I may not agree with what you're saying, but that's life and you're always gonna run into people that don't agree with you so why bother letting it ruffle your feathers? Again, like I said, I've got no problem explaining or expounding upon my opinions or remarks.

[xFenrir]

my hats off to you! seems like you have a good head on your solders, as does xFenrir. Its about language, sitting down with other people and descussing opinions. I respect your opinions as I hope you do mine. and please, dont pitty me. I have drank clean water from streams, I have seen elk fight in the wild, Iv touched baby deer hiding in brush. Generations to come will need to steralize their water, see nature as it was, only on hi def TV's, and if they want to put their hand on nature, theyll need to go to a zoo. Please dont pitty me. Im satisfied.
spooky

Thank our parents, they the ones dun raised us right.

I always thought my parents were "stupid" and "lame" growing up, then one day I looked at the stereotypes my generation was making and went "... thanks, mom and dad."

[mr.spooky]

back on topic...... DONT BE A RAT!
spooky

[reptileexperts]

Thank our parents, they the ones dun raised us right.

I always thought my parents were "stupid" and "lame" growing up, then one day I looked at the stereotypes my generation was making and went "... thanks, mom and dad."

Was it Mark twain that said "I'm amazed at how smart my father became from the time I was 13 to the time I became 18" . . .

but yes, on the topic - don't be a rat as put. It hurts more than it helps. The only reason to turn someone in is if they are directly hurting you or your family by what they are doing. It does not bode well for the hobby what they are doing, but it would benefit the hobby nothing for headlines to read "20+ GIANT SNAKES seized at local NY Resident SNAKE KEEPER". Sad day. . .

At Spooky - Agreed it's been many generations of screw up to this environmental disaster - Serj Tankian said it best "We have built our lives. Without nature in mind. So that we've become the disease, But we won't go" So to better rephrase what I said - It is my hope and belief that this generation will begin to right the wrong that we have done against the many dying species.

Cheers

[mr.spooky]

cheers!

jason

[xFenrir]

Since it's hard to tell what's going on from the OP's limited knowledge (no offense, just meaning you don't know the guy with the Burms) I think your best course of action is to try and ask your mutual friend to see if everything's on the level so to speak, and offer to give advice if he wants it. It could be the guy might be a great keeper but has no idea about the laws, and might just need to be notified that what he's doing isn't legal in the cut-and-dry sense. Whatever he does or doesn't do after that will be on him.

[mainbutter]

back on topic...... DONT BE A RAT!
spooky

Be careful, this kind of single-minded attitude towards toeing the line when it comes to society's accepted behaviors is a terrible thing. Not actively participating in law enforcement, particularly regarding controversial regulation, is one thing. Ignoring the physical abuse of a neighboring child, the drunken driving of a friend or acquaintance, or the pickpocket on the subway because "it's none of your business" is narcissistic at best, and criminal at worst.

I'm not sure about laws all across the country, but failing to report certain crimes, usually felonies but particularly those of the most heinous nature, is often a crime itself.

The OP's concerns bring up a difficult question to answer, which individuals and societies all over struggle with daily: Where is the line drawn where one has a moral or legal duty to render aid or report misconduct versus allowing private matters to be settled without your interference?

I work closely with communities that struggle with destructive crime, and cultures of "don't snitch" handcuff any attempts to fight it. In many cases this is because of decades of poor relations between the communities and law enforcement. We've made huge advances with those problems, but it is still an uphill battle.

There are times when the right course of action is to stand up and speak.