when what you thought was a male is actually a female

[versicolor]

Sometimes males will lock with males for dominance ..

Really?? I never knew this. I know when I popped them both, the one male was definately 100% male. Had two good sized hemipenes pop out and sperm plugs as well. With the other "male" I could get absolutely no penes to pop. I got some urine, but no signs whatsoever that it is a male.

[coldbloodaddict]

Yeah two males can lock...I would try the questionable male again after he has settled down from being with the other snakes...

Maybe start a little further back and push a little harder then what it took to pop the other male...A second opinion would be nice also...Do you know someone in you area that knows how to sex?

Start by contacting the breeder and telling them the situation...Maybe they have a male they are raising or something close to the genetics you want...It's possible they can locate the same male you want through another contact and get you a replacement that way...

You really won't know what might happen until you ask...

[snakesRkewl]

I was going to say if you don't know how to sex them, why are you believing that the 800 gram "male" is a female.
I've never had a male do anything but battle another male or lock him up in a sign of dominance, which it sounds like what you've got going.
Personally I think putting 2 males together is a dumb idea after trying it several times last year.
I know people swear by it, but I see nothing to gain by stressing out 2 males and maybe even the female.
Patience and proper husbandry and 95% of these males would breed with no tricks at all.

[coldbloodaddict]

I was going to say if you don't know how to sex them, why are you believing that the 800 gram "male" is a female.
I've never had a male do anything but battle another male or lock him up in a sign of dominance, which it sounds like what you've got going.
Personally I think putting 2 males together is a dumb idea after trying it several times last year.
I know people swear by it, but I see nothing to gain by stressing out 2 males and maybe even the female.
Patience and proper husbandry and 95% of these males would breed with no tricks at all.

It never made since to me either...If you have reluctant breeder putting him in with a good breeder that will most likely dominate him isn't going to help a thing!!!

And then what if you screw up the good breeders mojo... Definitely something I don't do or suggest to people!

[versicolor]

I was going to say if you don't know how to sex them, why are you believing that the 800 gram "male" is a female.
I've never had a male do anything but battle another male or lock him up in a sign of dominance, which it sounds like what you've got going.
Personally I think putting 2 males together is a dumb idea after trying it several times last year.
I know people swear by it, but I see nothing to gain by stressing out 2 males and maybe even the female.
Patience and proper husbandry and 95% of these males would breed with no tricks at all.

Well, I never knew that 2 males could actually lock so I automatically assumed that the one was a female. I know how to sex them, I know the process and have been able to successfully pop a few males, I'm just not all that experienced at it and do not 100% trust my skills at this point. And the reason I tried introducing another male was only because of the numerous accounts I have read that it was one method of deriving a stronger breeding response. Which I am now seeing that maybe is not a good practice.

[versicolor]

Yeah two males can lock...I would try the questionable male again after he has settled down from being with the other snakes...

Maybe start a little further back and push a little harder then what it took to pop the other male...A second opinion would be nice also...Do you know someone in you area that knows how to sex?

Start by contacting the breeder and telling them the situation...Maybe they have a male they are raising or something close to the genetics you want...It's possible they can locate the same male you want through another contact and get you a replacement that way...

You really won't know what might happen until you ask...

I will try sexing again.

Here is what was my projected scenario: I purchased what I assumed to be: male superblast, male pastave, female mystic, female bumblebee, female spider, female mojave. I already owned a male mojave and I purchased an adult proven female normal from elsewhere. My plans were: male superblast paired with: bumblebee, spider, normal. All kinds of possibilities there. Male pastave paired with female mojave because I wanted some pastel BEL. Not sure how those would look much different than a regular BEL but nonetheless, it was my plan. Mojave paired with mystic because I want mystic potions. The male that I now think might be female is the pastave, so in the end the only thing that really changes is I pair up the male mojave with both the female mojave and the now female pastave. I still should have all of the same possible outcomes of my original planned pairings. So i'm not sure it would even be reasonable to contact the breeder and let him know. I'm just glad that the superblast is indeed male, because that would have been very detrimental to my plans. Thanks for all the advice and thoughts everyone.

[Ladybugzcrunch]

Well, I never knew that 2 males could actually lock so I automatically assumed that the one was a female. I know how to sex them, I know the process and have been able to successfully pop a few males, I'm just not all that experienced at it and do not 100% trust my skills at this point. And the reason I tried introducing another male was only because of the numerous accounts I have read that it was one method of deriving a stronger breeding response. Which I am now seeing that maybe is not a good practice.

Like the others I would never put two males together. Instead, put a mature male's shed into the female's bin. Then introduce the reluctant male. I bet the snake in question is indeed a male. Some snakes are really hard to pop accurately once mature.

[versicolor]

Like the others I would never put two males together. Instead, put a mature male's shed into the female's bin. Then introduce the reluctant male. I bet the snake in question is indeed a male. Some snakes are really hard to pop accurately once mature.

Okay I will do that next time. Thanks for the advice.

I tried sexing the pastave again. Quite a few times actually and I just cannot get him/her to pop. I thought maybe it was my method and inexperience but I am able to fairly easily pop my two other males. It still could be me, but i'm leaning more towards it being female.

[interloc]

I think its funny that your complaining about finding out that your pastave "male" is female. I would be stoked.


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[versicolor]

I think its funny that your complaining about finding out that your pastave "male" is female. I would be stoked.


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I wouldn't say I'm so much complaining as I'm just reacting to the situation at hand and trying to get information and advice about it from all of the experts on this forum. As I said before I was more concerned with a still very undersized female being bred, than any issues I have with the fact that he turned out to be a she. I did state that ultimately my plans for offspring remains basically the same so I'm not sure where you get that I am complaining about it. Certainly not my intent to come across that way.