Are ALL Spider morphs carry those goofy genetic traits?

[Freakie_frog]

To the OP. You'll need to understand that all spider's wobble to one degree or the other. I've hatched my share and own more that a few spiders and spider combo's. I understand when people choose not to work with that morph, its one of the great things about this hobby is that there are so many different morphs out there that you're sure to find something that will wet your whistle. I don't take offense on a personal or professional level when people say they have apprehensions with working with the morph its their right and I'll support it 100% because I can point you to over 70 other morphs that have nothing to do with the spider morph that might strike your fancy. The other thing to remember is that we are specifically breeding genetic deformity's and with some of these deformity's there might be something other than a pigment difference that is tied with the gene and to be honest we might now like it from a reproducible standpoint; ie Super HGW, Deserts, Supper lessers, Supper Cinni's , Caramels ect. What were starting to see is that alot of these morphs have just that little tweaks that we're just seeing or finding in the primordial soup.

Me I love spiders and all the things they make. Hell I even like Deserts and you seen the combo's

[snakesRkewl]

Defend it all you want. It is sick and many people agree. Kick me out of this group, I dont give a monkeys uncle. The fact remains, those Spiders aren't right. Otherwise ALL snakes would be doing it, wouldn't they???!!!! They wouldn't last 5 mins. in their native African region. Humans playing God, that's all it is. Period. toddle off, delete me Admins. Now!

Someone got their patties in a bunch
Gotta love it when grown adults throw themselves on the floor and kick and scream like a 3 year old that just dropped their ice cream cone in the sand, happy new years!!!

And don't forget..........Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down

[DooLittle]

And don't forget..........Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down

LMAO...:p

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[skirtinthedirt]

All morphs are physically and genetically abnormal. That's the whole point of breeding them. Whether the abnormality is expressed as a pattern, color, or actual physical difference from a "normal" or wild type animal, when you start selectively breeding for specific traits, you are creating an "abnormal" animal. Yes, some spiders exhibit a wobble so severe that thy would never be able to survive in the wild. Ones with a mild wobble would probably do o.k.

The first spiders ever imported were wild caught. So obviously they are able to survive in the wild to a certain extent. But no one is breeding spiders for the purpose of releasing them into the wild, so who cares if they may not hit their prey the first time? It's not like the prey is going very far. Yes, you get some with wobbles bad enough that they can't survive, but whenever you get involved with breeding, or even in the wild, you are going to get babies who were never meant to survive. That's part of life. It would be one thing if people bred spiders knowing that the vast majority don't live a quality life, but the reality is that the vast majority of them do fine.

I would imagine, however, that very few albino or BEL BPs that occur naturally survive into adulthood in the wild, due to lack of camouflage.

If you choose to breed for any trait, or choose to breed at all, we are all playing God. If you choose to keep animals of any kind, you are playing God. If anyone thinks they are somehow better or more responisble breeders because they choose to not breed an animal with a little wiggle but jumps at the chance to breed a bright yellow monstrosity that would be spotted and eaten within a week of hatching in the jungle, you are fooling yourself.

[Flikky]

I do believe that Skirtinthedirt said what I was thinking better then I could have

[ds1091]

Well, I'm awaiting my 4th ball python, a spider morph. My best friend has a few spiders with a bad wobble to very little wobble and out of his 100 ball pythons they eat and breed the best. He also says their personality is very different compared to his other snakes. Im not saying this is true for all spiders, but a majority of people love their spider ball pythons and all the combos they make and how well they thrive. Ive yet to hear of a spider who died in captivity from the wobble. It could be neurological, a inner ear problem, or i even heard its from their light eye pigment. But this morph was proven out from a wild ball python, so obviously they were doing fine in the wild and still are in captivity. Its YOUR choice not to own one, but many people enjoy their spiders and spider morphs as myself. Im not going to get rid of my french bull dog because they cannot breed without assistance, or not own many of the toy dog breeds with a shorter muzzle which the WHOLE breed had breathing problems? I feel like the wobble is similar to soecific dog breeds and the breeds specific health problems.

[bx718]

if you breed a spider with another morph will it stop the "wobble"???

[ds1091]

if you breed a spider with another morph will it stop the "wobble"???

No, it will not mask the wobble, it will still be present. You may never see the wobble present, or it may have a pretty noticable wobble its whole life. Could also get better or worse as the snake grows but never going away completely.

[DNACurtusK]

I'm more of a reader here than a poster...BUT...

I am seeing quite a few folks comparing dogs to the Spider morph snakes. Now, if I understand correctly, the Spider's issues are neurlogical correct?

The shortened lifespan of large breed dogs.....brachycephalic dogs.....dogs that shake when they are cold because they are so tiny....hip dysplasia that occurs in larger breed at times....

These are not neurologic issues we are talking about in the dogs. Now say someone was breeding a breed of dog (since everyone is using dogs as a comparison for some reason), that all came out with neurological problems. Say they all walked around with a head tilt, missed their feed bowl when trying to eat, stumbles sideways when trying to walk......would that be 'okay'? Would that be as accepted by society?Just food for thought.

Neurological issues are one thing, but lifespans and physical issues that arise are not the same. Apples to oranges.

[DNACurtusK]

Now HERE is a prefect example of a neurolgical issue in a specific breed of dog. See how it's different when you see a neurological condition in a dog vs a snake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm17MesMFRc