Are ALL Spider morphs carry those goofy genetic traits?

[don15681]

Yep yep !

My spider, killerbee, and stinger all have a wobble and act dinky . i have only seen a few spiders who don't display MUCH of a wobble, but that doesn't mean they will produce wobble-less spiders

very true, as I never seen it in my first spider male and I had him from hatchling until he was over 1700 grams. I know the breeder who has him now and still no signs of a wobble. but many of his offsprings had it. the spider has one of the coolest patterns. don't let the wobble keep you from getting one. you will get use to it. I heard that some wobbles as a very young snake and gets less with age and some don't show it until they're at an adult size.

[bx718]

im sure theres other morphs with genetic issues but what are they?

where would i be able to see a list of them if possible?

[DooLittle]

im sure theres other morphs with genetic issues but what are they?

where would i be able to see a list of them if possible?

Female deserts don't reproduce, carmels can have kinking issues, some supers have bug eyes...

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[Annarose15]

I was told by 2 breeders at a reptile show that a way to help reduce the wobble is to incubate your spider gene eggs a couple degrees below normal. Anyone else heard/done this? Any truth to it?

So...these breeders maintain a spider-only incubator? I'm not saying you weren't told this, just that it seems a little silly.

i think he was trying to make a point.
and i totally agree with it. why continue breeding the morph knowing its going to produce hatchlings with health issues??
just my 2 cents

Since when is the spider wobble a "health issue"? My spider combos all eat, gain weight, and thrive as well as or better than my other BPs. It's just a slightly different mannerism.

[DooLittle]

So...these breeders maintain a spider-only incubator? I'm not saying you weren't told this, just that it seems a little silly.



Since when is the spider wobble a "health issue"? My spider combos all eat, gain weight, and thrive as well as or better than my other BPs. It's just a slightly different mannerism.

Absolutely, me bee is thriving. She's a year and a half, 1600 grams, good eater, sheds great, super sweet. She is the one we take for school visits. She has no "health issues", she's perfectly healthy.

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[bx718]

i meant genetic issues @annarose15

im pretty sure they do well but i wouldnt want to see my ball with a wobble

[Annarose15]

i meant genetic issues @annarose15

Again I ask - Why is it an issue? Are otherwise-healthy chihuahuas defective because they shiver when they are excited/stressed? Aside from chihuahuas not being real dogs, of course.

[bx718]

its an issue because theres something wrong with their genetics
other balls dont wobble their head because everything is sound

when breeders breed morphs and some come neuro issues or health problems or physical abnormalities that most balls dont have then thats where the problem or issues lie because their letting money be on top of everything else instead of owrrying about the animal be it a snake or chihuahua or anything else because this happens with other species to as you pointed out...

but don't get me wrong i love how spider morphs looks just like everyone else and i dont want to come off as saying NOBODY should own a spider morph but I wouldn't want to own one just because if i do sometime in the future want to breed i dont want to produce anything that isnt breeding quality in my opinion.

[Willow88]

I also do not own spiders anymore, or spider combos. I will also avoid womas and woma combos, as it has now become known that woma ball pythons wobble just like spiders do...come meet my woma male who wobbles lol...(I got him before I knew they wobble, he was my attempt to have a non wobbly spider like snake) He will find a pet only home someday

He is fine otherwise, but I cannot bring myself to breed something that 100% of its offspring will carry the same issue. Since we are not sure yet how far the woma wobble really goes, I can only assume it will end up being very similar as it is with spiders.

It is different with caramels, BELs, all the others....as not 100% of offspring come out with the issue, perfect examples of those animals are made all the time. It isn't like that with spiders....they all wobble, no matter how much someone wants to deny that theirs does lol.

I would never tell someone they should not breed spiders, nor would I ever say spiders don't make stunning combos

but I have dealt with the spider wobble on many different degrees....and I just cant stand it

I DO NOT find it cute, charming, or amusing to watch....at all....

[satomi325]

Aside from chihuahuas not being real dogs, of course.

Awww. You don't think she's a real dog?
She's a purebred long haired chi.






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