Thanks for the advice. Couple more questions. I have only used live to try and encourage him to eat. I don't have a deli cup, but would a brown paper bag, like for lunches work? Do I put him in the bag over night with the rat pink/fuzzy and check on him in the morning? Will the bag allow enough air flow? and do I put it on the end with the heat tape in the tub? He doesn't care if the food is in his hide with him. He will sleep with it in there with him. Thanks for all the help again