recessives

[scooter11]

I was browsing kingsnake the other day and someone was selling a female clown. Their posting proclaimed that because of the recessive gene you have to have a female. Can someone explain this to me? I would have thought it would made more sense to buy the male and multiple recessive females. Sorry if this sound dumb

[Freakie_frog]

With a recessive gene both you male and female have to be carrying the gene to produce the visual morph, unlike with Codom or Dom morphs that you only need one animal carrying the gene to reproduce it..

[jedidiah578]

im not a breeder so not a pro. but with recessive gene both male & female need to carry the gene for a chance to produce a offspring that have the apearance youre looking for.

[katiekat]

I think the seller means to explain that you will not produce visible clowns without another visible clown OR a snake that is "het for clown" meaning it has the recessive gene for clown but looks normal... So you will only get clowns with these possible pairings: ClownX Het Clown OR ClownX Clown Or on the less expensive side, make your own and try Het Clown X Het Clown. Hopefully I've explained this clearly... if not I know others will chime in

[MrLang]

I don't know if this is what they mean, but this is why I PERSONALLY believe you 'have to have a female' for recessives.

Let's say you want to make a pastel clown.

You can raise a pastel female up to 1500g and simultaneously raise up a male clown... his weight doesn't really matter here. You breed them together and get a pastel het clown female. You raise her up to 1500g again and then breed her back to the dad for a chance at the pastel clown.


Option 2: You raise a clown female to 1500g and simultaneously raise a male pastel to whatever weight. You breed them and get a male pastel het clown. Now instead of having to raise it to 1500g and wait to get it producing follicles etc, you can usually breed a male within the same year it was born and at only 5 - 700 grams.

You just saved yourself 2 years essentially. In this way, you kind of 'have to' have female visual recessives if you want to work with recessive combos. There are plenty of exceptions to this, of course.

[scooter11]

i completely understand that the female needs to either be visible or het for clown under this scenario. but the person in the posting was saying you need a visible female. thats what didnt make sense to me at all. thanks to mrlang there, i now understand the advantage to having a female visible. thats if you assume that your going to try and make pastel clowns(which are gross by the way.......jk). what if you just want to make more clowns, wouldnt you want a male and multiple het females? im very glad you pointed out that fact for the scenario in which you are trying get multiple genes into the project. i hadnt thought of that and its very advantageous. with that said, i am going to assume that the person was stating that for a project involving other genes. thank you for your help guys

[RoseyReps]

The female being visual is helpful if you have one clown project. Personally, when I get into clowns I will be getting a visual male. Plugging him to a het clown female, and then multiple morph females. Then, say you do lesser, enchi, and pastel, (assuming your guy is good and can do a 1:4 ratio) your now looking at possible visual clowns (hold back a girl) and lesser hets, enchi hets, pastel hets, and regular hets. This gives you quite a large base and diversity for working with clown projects. Hold back males to breed to the het girl,or females to raise, now you have options. Not to mention on the business side, morph hets are selling for equal or more than visual male clowns. So you're still coming up in the positive.

This is just my plans, just thought I'd add in the other side of the story

[snakesRkewl]

I too went with a visual male clown and haven't made any clowns "yet".
But the male has produced well over 10k in babies in 3 seasons and I'll be shooting for a worlds first later this season "hopefully" with yb het clown X yb het clown.

A female clown is an awesome snake to have, but a male clown has made me way more money than a single female clown would have and made me some powerful male and female co-dom hets to sell and raise up for future breeders.

[scooter11]

That's more along the lines of where my head was at. That's why I was confused when he said "you have to have a visual female"