butter or lesser??????

[treachery]

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I got a female ball python from a really nice guy from a website called platinumpythons.com. I wanted a lesser female to add to my collection, and saw he almost specialized in them. Here is his email to me from late 2011...."I do have a very nice female lesser platinum (#9C) available. She is from my #09 clutch of eight babies. Here is her info: Hatched: 11/14/11 Breeding: Spider x Lesser Platinum".

After looking at other lesser I started to doubt if i had a lesser, on world of ballpythons the pic there make it seem that indeed i have a butter. Anyone care to post their thoughts are welcome.

[RoseyReps]

Butters and lessers are generally considered the same morph, from different wild caught snakes.

Your picture didn't show up, but there is a good chance you will get both answers anyways. If you had a tub full of butters and lessers, I seriously doubt there is anyone who would separate them correctly.

If the breeder says it's a lesser, from a lesser, it's a lesser. At least that's my opinion *shrug* Sorry I couldn't be of more help

[OhhWatALoser]

Lessers and Butters are different lines of the same morph.

If the breeder said its a lesser, its a lesser.

Just like if you bought a *insert line* pastel, then that's what it is.

btw link the picture url, not the page the picture is on.

[treachery]

and so are mojaves but the three look different from one another and all will produce a slightly different supper form (blue eyed)http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pet/3412326838.html

[treachery]

thanks btw for your comments and the url pic heads up!!!!

[Mike41793]

and so are mojaves but the three look different from one another and all will produce a slightly different supper form (blue eyed)http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pet/3412326838.html

No. Mojaves arent the same as butters and lessers.

[RoseyReps]

I'm going to let owal take this. As I'm on my phone and typing is slow and irritating.

All I will say is Congrats on your new lesser.

[treachery]

Ok i know I'm the one asking for help but mojoves are the same allele (an alternative form of a gene) thats why they can all give "blue eyed lucys". so any two of the three or any combo of the three(butter, mojove, or lesser) will get a white snake

[OhhWatALoser]

I'm going to let owal take this. As I'm on my phone and typing is slow and irritating.

All I will say is Congrats on your new lesser.

no problem

While the original wild caught animals may of looked different, as we continue to breed them, we can easily see there are butter that look like the original lesser and lessers that look like the original butter. More than 1 gene goes into making how a snake looks and even that one gene can have different levels of expression by itself. That's where variation in any morph comes from. Pastels imo vary more than any other morph, doesn't mean they are different morphs.

You can check out this thread also, http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...nd-lesser-vote

Ok i know I'm the one asking for help but mojoves are the same allele (an alternative form of a gene) thats why they can all give "blue eyed lucys". so any two of the three or any combo of the three(butter, mojove, or lesser) will get a white snake

You got the right idea I just want to correct the terms. Mojaves are a different allele. Lesser and Butter are the same allele. All 3 are the same gene.

[satomi325]

Ok i know I'm the one asking for help but mojoves are the same allele (an alternative form of a gene) thats why they can all give "blue eyed lucys". so any two of the three or any combo of the three(butter, mojove, or lesser) will get a white snake

We all know this and are not arguing that the 3 can produce a BEL. Mojave lies on the same loci as Butter/Lesser, which is why they are compatible for a homozygous form. But mojave is still a completely different mutation.

Mojos are different. Butter and lessers are exactly the same, just a different name. If you put these 3 snakes together, you probably couldn't tell which was the lesser and which was the butter.


Can you tell what the snakes below are?(specifically the left one)



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