Where do you sell most of your normal hatchlings?

[MrLang]

I am speechless, completely dumbfounded by some of these comments. Really? I think some people should really not be allowed to own or breed animals with the mentalities that they have.

I don't see any comments here that say anyone plans to euthanize snakes because they have a low dollar value. It's not our fault you lack the ability to use logic to understand something that is otherwise taboo.

I don't see a huge difference between selling a hatchling to Timmy the Toddler's mom from Craigslist who will kill the snake from poor care within 6 months and euthanizing it. The only difference I'm finding is that one is humane and the other is slow, painful, and tragic with a chance it turns out well for the snake. The other difference is the monetary gain from the sale. You're simply taking the blood off your hands by saying 'welllllllll Timmy's mom might find BP.net and take this seriously and provide a good home.' It's a risk everyone takes (do you find that immoral?) when they sell a snake, we're just more likely to take that risk for money than not. That's not heartless to me, it's realistic and economical.

Again, I don't have plans to do this but I can logic beyond my own personal beliefs.

[TessadasExotics]

lol Really? Anyone who would euthanize an animal that they produced just because they don't want to take the time to find it a home or take care of it, SHOULD NOT be breeding. That has got to be the most ignorant thing to do. Animal lives should all be considered equal, I agree with that. But to say you could use it as compost... what? You want a blonde child and have a brunet.... compost? Could anyone here find it acceptable for someone who breeds... dogs, to say 'I don't like this color dog, I'm going to "humanely euthanize" this litter because now it isn't worth my time'. If you are going to take the time to breed ANYTHING, educate yourself and have some sort of values. Don't sit here and say it is a hobby, not about money, blah blah blah... and then come out with some lame excuses about why you should cull normals. When you take it into your OWN hands to produce new life, I feel it should be assumed that the FIRST requirement is to provide basic, simple and deserved care and quality of life. You want to produce life to benefit you in any way shape or form, care for it an respect it. You want to feed a king snake, that's great. That is a life that deserves to be cared for. Compost, isn't that the same thing as a trash can? Nothing you're going to grow could ever benefit any extra from dead ball pythons that you didn't want to be bothered with. (*Not saying dead animals are not good for compost, only that it is stretching logic of a life cycle and morals to cull, just because...*) Culling is not out of the norm.. deformities, kinks, injury, neglect or otherwise suffering the obvious and (I hate to use this word) humane thing to do is cull in some situations.
And the other thing, that never ceases to amaze me, is how you could breed a Bee to a Spider and get "a high percentage of normals". I either missed something cosmic there, or I am still learning new things every day.
*rant is completely over*

[3skulls]

This has always been a worry with me. From even before I wanted to start breeding, I always asked how do these breeders sell an animal to some of these people. At shows you'll see people walking around with a BP around their neck :/ or hear how these people think they should care for them.

I already plan on doing a very detailed care sheet and quizing the buyer.

Maybe there should be a program of replacing all of all the wild caught animals with the normals. I can't imagine how much death shows up in a box of wild caught.

[OctagonGecko729]

lol Really? Anyone who would euthanize an animal that they produced just because they don't want to take the time to find it a home or take care of it, SHOULD NOT be breeding. That has got to be the most ignorant thing to do. Animal lives should all be considered equal, I agree with that. But to say you could use it as compost... what? You want a blonde child and have a brunet.... compost? Could anyone here find it acceptable for someone who breeds... dogs, to say 'I don't like this color dog, I'm going to "humanely euthanize" this litter because now it isn't worth my time'. If you are going to take the time to breed ANYTHING, educate yourself and have some sort of values. Don't sit here and say it is a hobby, not about money, blah blah blah... and then come out with some lame excuses about why you should cull normals. When you take it into your OWN hands to produce new life, I feel it should be assumed that the FIRST requirement is to provide basic, simple and deserved care and quality of life. You want to produce life to benefit you in any way shape or form, care for it an respect it. You want to feed a king snake, that's great. That is a life that deserves to be cared for. Compost, isn't that the same thing as a trash can? Nothing you're going to grow could ever benefit any extra from dead ball pythons that you didn't want to be bothered with. (*Not saying dead animals are not good for compost, only that it is stretching logic of a life cycle and morals to cull, just because...*) Culling is not out of the norm.. deformities, kinks, injury, neglect or otherwise suffering the obvious and (I hate to use this word) humane thing to do is cull in some situations.
And the other thing, that never ceases to amaze me, is how you could breed a Bee to a Spider and get "a high percentage of normals". I either missed something cosmic there, or I am still learning new things every day.
*rant is completely over*

Again, a human life is not the same as a BPs life, so it would probably be best to stay away from human morality when talking about animals. I wouldn't say that the dog example is "immoral" because I can't prove that it is but I would never purchase dogs from that breeder and I would do everything in my power to make sure that people knew exactly what said breeder was doing.

I agree --> "When you take it into your OWN hands to produce new life, I feel it should be assumed that the FIRST requirement is to provide basic, simple and deserved care and quality of life. You want to produce life to benefit you in any way shape or form, care for it an respect it."

"Culling is not out of the norm.. deformities, kinks, injury, neglect or otherwise suffering the obvious and (I hate to use this word) humane thing to do is cull in some situations." So wouldn't the logical conclusion be that culling to prevent BPs from entering bad homes where they would be neglected is ok? The problem is mostly around knowing whether or not if they will be mistreated. Which is something that can be hard to figure out. Which is why I am throwing so much cash into this so I know that I won't have this issue.

Oh and sorry for the confusion I meant to say a high(er) percentage of normals, than a pairing of more genes.

[gopherhockey03]

Pretty sure no one on this site would ever euthanize a BP just because it's a normal. To do so would make them a very selfish person with horrible morals.

[barbie.dragon]

Just to clarify the posts I typed up I'm not saying culling is out of the question. But at the same time if someone decides to breed ANY ANIMAL, they should expect and prepare for the worst. I got the feeling they were asking "Can I just cull all the normals I end up with when I breed." That to me was disturbing because people should not be going into breeding with that mindset. All options of finding the normal bp a home should be exhausted first before saying "k let's cull all of them because they might end up living a crappy life." I believe our mindset should be more along the liens of "when I sell my normal ball python to someone, let's put a little caresheet in there and do some very crude screening to make sure they at least have a thermostat, uth and knows what a snake eats."

[Andrew21]

What if you have a clutch and out pops all normals. And you have a hatchling rack and all the room you need. You also have all the money you need to care for them(but that is it). But you just can't get rid of the babies. Then you are stuck with a few normals that are about to out grow their tubs. Due to space constraints and money constraints, you can't buy/build another rack. Would you then consider it morally okay to cull the remaining babies? I realize that it is a far stretch that you couldn't at least get some people to house the snakes while you find a buyer/people to give them to, but you get the point. Basicly, if you can not house them any longer, and can't get rid of them, would you cull them? To me, that is the only option. Just some food for thought.

[bkelley02]

Should we change the title of this thread? The original question was where do you sell your normals, not whether euthanizing was an option. I for one, would not euthanize. I'm lucky enough to have a local pet store that will take them from me for store credit.

I read somewhere, can't remember if it was on a shirt or bumper sticker or what, but it said " If you can't feed them, don't breed them"

[Mike41793]

I eat all mine.

[towelie4365]

I eat all mine.

I'm half tempted to believe this.

I could never euthanize a BP to use as food. But, I also can't distinguish between that and euthanizing rodents to feed my BP. I'm just more partial to BP's . Also, whats wrong with selling it for cheap on craigslist/elsewhere? If they want to buy a BP, they will buy one whether or not you're selling your normal--except you have the opportunity to ensure they know how to care for it.